Session 5 - Phil & Karen Newton Q&A

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How would you encourage, especially single brothers and sisters, to think about dating apps? So it's becoming increasingly just kind of common way in our digital age to meet people. Good, bad, neutral wisdom that you would give to those who are desiring to be married and then using dating apps. Yeah. I have never looked on a dating app. Have you ever? I'm glad. Yeah, you're glad. Okay, all right. So.

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There was no such thing growing up with us. We had several folks at Southwoods that met on, I guess they were an app, a website or something like that, that met, but I think, boy, you had to be judicious. I don't know, what do you think of that? I probably know a little bit more about it. I think you know more about it. You do because I've talked to ladies that have used it.

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I mean, you have to be careful, obviously, and I don't really know that much about it. I just know I've seen some marriages that have been a result of they found each other on a dating app, and it's a good thing, and they're happily married and so forth. It seems to be something that's, you know, it's just the way people meet that's a little more normal that wasn't around when we were dating. Having said that, I mean...

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You have to be pretty smart about it. And I don't know, there's a lot of variety of dating apps, apparently. And I think probably some are better than others maybe, but I don't know what that is. So, has anybody ever met on the dating app in here? Did any of you all meet? You don't have? Well, I shouldn't ask that. I shouldn't ask that. Okay. There we go. There you go. So, I would never say, hey, against it, because I know too many people. It's just.

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That's the way they met and I think it's wonderful. Probably a lot of the dynamics have changed over the years with, I mean, where we were meeting and where people our age now tended to get married a little younger than folks nowadays. And so there's probably a lot more reliance on those. And, you know.

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It's wonderful if you meet folks at church and you end up getting married. Praise God. Or, you know, you just, you need to be careful where you meet them. You meet somebody in shady places, you may have a shady marriage, you know. I don't know. So, you know, if those maps, if those apps are shady, then, you know, I think you just really have to have a lot of discernment. And I would say if you're, if you're doing that, have some accountability with.

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some brothers and sisters in the church to help you navigate on that. And I would not do that without some accountability. And I don't think you have to be ashamed. Hey, I'm looking on a dating app because I can't find anyone. Okay, but have some accountability.

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Hello? Yes. Hello. Did you guys have different parenting styles, maybe upbringings, views on discipline? Like, did you find yourself united at every turn, or were you bringing some different styles? And if so, how did you work to stay united in front of your kids and not let that be a wedge in your marriage? Yeah, I would say we probably had some differences. My dad was really stern.

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He just wasn't one to pamper you, do anything like that. And he was pretty quick to correct and strongly correct. And I'm thankful for it. I think the Lord used that in my life. I think my brother and I needed that. But I think sometimes he was too strong in the way he corrected. So I had to be mollified in that because that was the model that I had.

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And I think your folks corrected, but probably did it in a little bit better way, maybe. I don't know. I didn't think you were that.

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Sometimes I thought, well, I was a lot more of a scaredy cat type mother. Like, if you took the kids somewhere, you know, I wanted to make sure that you were going to watch them really well and not let them do crazy things. So, anybody identify with that? And I might let them do crazy things just a little bit, but reasonable.

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oh you're going to get hurt, you know, and afraid for them to do certain things. You were not like that. So that's the way I, I don't know, that's not really discipline though, I don't guess it's just. Well, it is parenting style though. It's a parenting style. I'm thinking of our differences on that. I think one of the main things we didn't, if we disagreed, we're going to disagree in private and the kids, the kids would always see a united front with us on that. And, and sometimes we would talk through in.

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she would help me and I would help her. I think that's a fair statement in, okay, how do we deal with this personality in one kid? I mean, much of our kids have really strong personalities in, that's not a sure way of saying, most of them were really stubborn. And so how do you deal with their stubbornness in and do it in different ways? And we leaned into each other's wisdom and then

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We prayed together about these things. So I don't know that we sat down at the beginning of marriage or beginning of when she was pregnant with our first and saying, okay, how are we gonna do all this? I think we just did it. And then if something came out, maybe it was, hey, maybe that's a little too firm or I think that's a little bit too soft. I think we need to go otherwise. And then we would work through on that. And.

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I don't remember us getting into arguments from parents. I don't think we were that far apart with the way. I don't remember a lot of struggles over that. I would suggest read somebody like, yeah, okay, got it. Read someone like Ted Tripp's book, Shepherding a Child's Heart, and spin around for years and years.

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But the overall picture, he's not giving you a checklist. He's, he's dealing really dealing with the parents attitude of heart more so than the child's in parenting. Read through something like that. The ones that are boxing everything into a checklist, put them aside. I mean, they may have some good stuff, but the overarching thing is affecting your attitude to think if I'm a legalist here, I'm going to get.

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get the end result I want out of my kids. Yeah.

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talking until maybe here it is. So we, so you've been emphasizing a lot about the word, prioritizing your walk with Christ. And so I wanted to ask Karen, a little bit more of a specific question in regards to what you were mentioning yesterday. I mean, five kids at home, you know, there's a lot going on there. And so I was just wondering if you could get really practical, I think a lot of us are in that season of babies, toddlers.

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and wanting to prioritize our time in the word. Could you just share, like, how did you, you know, how did you do that with being at home? I don't know what your community looked like back then, but could you just like take yourself back there even and share some of that? Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. I don't think I did a very good job of it, to be perfectly honest. But one thing that I did do that I would not do as much now.

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is I had my devotions a lot of times at night. That's just the way it worked out for me. You always hear it starts your morning with your devotions. It didn't work so hot for me. I'm not by nature just a really great morning person. And we stretch our kids out. There's 15 years difference between our oldest and youngest. And so I had little people for a long time. And so I did much better if I did mine at night.

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I wouldn't do that now. I prefer the morning and I see the benefit of it and so forth, but that's, you know, I did what I could do sort of, I guess, you know, after getting up in the night a lot and that type thing. So don't, I don't think you should go on a guilt trip, you know, with babies and, you know, as long as your desire is there, you know, if you have a desire and you have to do it in a little unconventional way, I think that's perfectly fine. And,

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And the day will come where you'll have your mornings to yourself and you can do it the way you want to and it is a nice beautiful thing. But it just, and so sometimes I would be on a guilt trip about that and I got over that really and truly. And I had a lot of meaningful, you know, time at night and would read, you know, not only my, you know, the scripture or whatever, but books and biographies and things like that, you know. And...

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So it worked.

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Going, I'm loud. Oh, okay. I'm gonna ask this as broadly as possible. How would you lay a gospel foundation and offer your kids stability in maybe a home life that is not stable or that is broken? Yeah, yeah. I think that's where you set that example. You be the teacher because you're gonna be the primary teacher.

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You keep, and I think it's good as, as their little minds develop, it's good to talk about the brokenness of sin and have that affects us. It is good to talk about the kindness and mercy of the Lord that shows up. Even when everything is not going well. Um, do you, I mean, I've been reading an old biography on John Newton and, uh, written by Josiah Bull. So it was written in the.

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1800s and John Newton's mother was a faithful Christian. His dad wasn't and his mother had this massive impact on him later as a, you know, he's, he's on a slave ship and he ends up getting converted because of the influence that his mother had. And so I think that's where you, you just cry out to the Lord, Lord.

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You know where I am, you know the weakness, you know what I'm going through. Will you multiply the effort that you're giving me through your grace? Will you multiply that in my kids? And, and then I think the reinforcement that you see with members of the body of Christ is, is supplementing what you're doing. The Godly example you give is going to be, I mean, that's gold. It's absolute gold.

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And that, that sticks in a kid's mind as much as anything.

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How did y'all know?

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I'll let you go first. That's a good question.

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Well, we, no, you go first. You go first. Well, all right. I would say junior in college when we met, she was a senior in college. And, you know, I'll tell you a little bit about it last night. I'm, I, there was a girl I took to church. I mean, we weren't really dating. I took her to church a couple of times and maybe we got pizza once. And there have been other girls that I, that dated, but you know, there, there was not that, that heart. I'm, I want to spend my life with her.

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And when we met, there was this change in our affections, to I want to spend my life with her. And it didn't take long after we met till we, that's what started happening. So it was reinforced when she graduated, moved back to her town, a Biola Bachelor, where I'm serving on staff. And so we...

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We had dinner together with her cousin that introduced us pretty much every night, or I ate at her house. And you stayed until like two o'clock in the morning. Yeah, we did stay up pretty late. But finally the day came where I let David, her cousin, know three is a crowd. You're gonna have to get out of this. And I think, I mean, we were engaged within

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six weeks after that. Yeah, we moved fast. We met in March. We had our first date July 4th. We went canoeing. And you asked me to marry you off as first. Yeah. And we got married in December. So we moved fast, obviously. And we didn't have any cold feet. No cold feet. And we just went forward. Yeah.

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It was, my kids were a little bit embarrassed about it over the years. They thought, mom, dad, don't tell people that story. That is so, I think they're okay with it now, you know. But when they were teenagers and stuff, they were like, don't tell that. But anyway, we moved fast and really with our kids, we told our kids, if you find someone that you think, you know, you want to marry, they want to marry you, and they,

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They love the Lord and they're Christians. And we'll give you blessings on that. You don't have to have a year engagement or anything like that. I don't think that's, I'm a big believer. If you know what you want and what the Lord seems to be moving you toward, go ahead, don't waste any more time, go for it. Yeah, my niece just got engaged and she's,

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I had a conversation with her, I don't know, back maybe two months ago, three months ago. She was engaged maybe a month now. So it was probably about three months ago and she, she really loves the work. We got a good relationship. And, and I said, look, you need to marry that boy. You need to quit. You, you, you're afraid you're going to miss out on something. You're afraid something's not going to go right. Go ahead and get married.

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You, you love him. You're crazy about him. He's crazy about you. What are you waiting on? So, man, she moved to marriage up. It's coming fast. So she's getting married in December. Uh, and, uh, I mean, everything's going fast on that. Uh, I mean, I think if you, if you're willing to commit yourself and, uh, to, to that other person and you're willing to spend your life with them, don't let grass grow under your feet.

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Go ahead, go ahead and get engaged. I mean, yeah, talk to brothers and sisters, that's fine. You have some accountability in that. Am I being wise in this? That's okay. But move forward.

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Yes. In seasons of your marriage where you've been struggling, be it X, Y, or Z, at what point have you guys reached out to help? And then who did you guys reach out to for help and counsel? Usually, we've worked through things through word and prayer. I mean, usually, we've had a few things along the way where

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You know, I get a terminal illness. I need a few people speaking into my life. And so, you know, there were some long time friends that have known us, some of my pastor brothers, and you know, some of the folks at church. Some other things, there have been those that knew us really well that we would talk to and seek counsel. We've even...

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We've been taught with some of our kids about some decisions. I mean, you know, the decision about retiring from pastoring and doing the work with the Pillar Network, one of our kids in particular was incredibly helpful and was very discerning. But usually it was a very tight, tight group of people that knew us well. But with most things, I would say most things

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We talk through, we try to work it out, and then maybe there's somebody that says, hey, we're dealing with this. How do we process this? I'm not sure I quite understood the question exactly. Can you rephrase it? So say you're disagreeing about something or you're

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lacking intimacy for a time period or, you know, your husband is maybe not living with you in an understanding way or, you know, there's something going on in your marriage and you're working on it together. But at what point are you like, hey, we need help here. We need to let so and so in. Is it my girlfriend? Is it my pastor? Is it, you know, my parents? Like, who is it?

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And at what point are you like, okay, now we're there where we need help? Is it the very beginning? Is it after a couple weeks? I don't know if you put time on it. Are you asking what we did or are you asking in general what we advise? Both, yeah, what you guys would counsel us and how to think about it. Okay, by God's grace, we have been able to work out, I think, pretty much everything with each other. I mean.

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We never, did we ever go to this town? I mean in terms of our relationship, by God's grace, only. Only His grace. Only, only. We've been there to work things out. That didn't mean that we didn't have some toughness. We had to really work through, have conversations, and it wasn't something that was an instantaneous movement, but it was the kind of thing that we had to.

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We had to be willing to listen. We had to get over, maybe there was anger or bitterness over something. We had to get over that and whatever time that took and work through, but I don't remember us being at a still mate where we could not get past. Had that been the case, we would have definitely gone to a brother or maybe even a sister that we loved and respected.

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I know then Karen mentioned last night there was a Bible teacher that she had 30 years ago that really impacted her and I think she would have had a lot of freedom to talk with her. There were some mentors in my life and I would have had freedom to talk with them on that. And I think there's different seasons in marriage where I think having teenagers is probably,

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We had conversations about how to handle a lot of things that came up with that. There was probably a little more. We had conversations with my mom's son on that when the kids were teenagers. Karen's mom died when she was 54. So, unfortunately, we didn't have her. Her mom was 54. So, we didn't have her around. But we talked to...

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Mama changed some, and some of those things in, you know, when we're, we're getting into that stage. And then we've talked to other folks in the body that we had respect for. I think it, I think it depends on where you are. It, if there was a stalemate, get some help. Yeah. That, that to me would be the standard. If there's a stalemate or there's something that's, that's been crushing, get some help in, and that's where I'd say generally.

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Go to some people that have some either you really admire their spiritual life. I probably wouldn't, I'm trying to go to people older generally because of life experience, because sometimes with peers, they go like, Oh no, the earth is, is, is caving in on you. And maybe somebody that's older go, no, you'll walk through this and here's what it's going to take because there are things now that don't that.

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Maybe we see younger people just falling apart on work, kind of going, what's the big deal? It is only because of life experience. So I would say utilize those with life experience that can.

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And if you weren't, if you're not able to make a breakthrough and you feel like the other, you know, like if you, I didn't feel like you had listened or you didn't feel like I'd listened, we would have definitely, you know, but. Gone to the elders and talk with them. But thankfully, you know, we developed the pattern of communication so nothing got so broad or big that we didn't, we couldn't deal with it.

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We try not to procrastinate on issues. And that, and I think that's absolutely critical. Don't bottle things up. Go ahead and deal with them, whether they're smaller, rather than getting bigger.

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Will you guys give it up for Phyllis and Karen? Yeah.

Session 4 - Proverbs 24:3-4

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And it is established by understanding, by knowledge, the rooms are filled with every precious and beautiful treasure. Now, as I have observed marriage and families over the years, it leads me asking some questions along the way. Like, does this couple enjoy each other? Do they have joy in their marriage? Uh, or is this couple frustrated with each other as their expressions are betraying them?

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What is their interaction with each other? What, what does it indicate? Does it indicate they're lovingly devoted to each other or they're tolerating each other or they're just kind of roommates and that's about it. Uh, while acknowledging the challenges that come with any family, do these parents delight in parenting?

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Do they give the impression that parenting is instead just drudgery, something there they loathe? Uh, do the kids show a healthy respect for their parents or do the kids appear to disdain their parents? Do the kids give evidence of being greatly loved by their parents and do the kids seem well taught, even if they're not always following what they've been taught that.

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That happens, but you can see through the veneer on that. Do the kids instead seem to live by manipulation, which is evident by the way they try to manipulate all of their friends. Do the kids seem to be under a cloud fearful that they might step out of line and meet with parental wrath? Do the parents show Liberty in Christ or do they bear evidence of being legalist?

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so that grace is not, not prominent in, in their parenting. The, did the kids come across as young legalists who have difficulty understanding grace? I remember talking with a, a couple that had that, I mean, they just act like parenting with just an absolute, just so hard and so, so difficult. And they had a eight year old and

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They had one child, a really good income, a lot of flexibility in their schedule. The child was bright, very intelligent, easy to talk with. And yet those parents lived with the fear that they would do something wrong in parenting. They brought the drudgery on themselves. It wasn't because of this child. They were...

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They were anxious that they would do something wrong in parenting and consequently their child would do some things wrong. And so they were putting their child in a mental straight jacket to follow their rules and, and this child seemed to be so rigid. And I looked at other eight year olds, nine year olds, and just how loose and fun they were. And, and, and this child was just so rigid. It told me a whole lot more about the parents and it did about the child. It's the parents.

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we're lacking in understanding the gospel and the beauty in marriage that should spill over into their child raising skills. You see marriage and parenting go together. Good marriages generally manifest healthy parenting practices. That doesn't mean that every kid's gonna turn out well. They have their own sinful natures. And these parents, as,

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fallen people are learning to depend on the Lord flawed, but by the grace of God, parents are being sanctified in their thoughts and the words and attitudes and decisions as they parent. And again, that doesn't mean that children will always make good decisions or follow Christ or show good character. We, we need to understand that it is the grace of God.

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Holy, if our kids follow Christ, it is the grace of God. And we need to realize that a child has that sinful nature just like we do. And with that fallen DNA, the child is inevitably leaning in the direction of rebellion and anarchy. And it's only the grace of God that restrains them in their behavior.

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And certainly the grace of God that brings him to that disposition where they have an affection for Christ and they begin to manifest the character of Christ. Meanwhile, God has established parents as the front line for bringing children up in the fear and instruction of the Lord so that it is through the gospel in the work of the spirit that those children might follow Christ. And so.

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We are as parents are trainers and examples for our children, how they respond. We cannot control. And I think a lot of times parents live under, I mean, good parents live under guilt because your parents don't, because your kids don't respond. You cannot control your kids response. If you do try to control it, then you're probably going to create a lot of legalism.

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and you're gonna be hard to live with. But we can control how we respond to our children as we teach them and nurture them and love them and disciple them and discipline them and set an example for them. We can control how we are responding to them. Changing a child's heart is only gonna be done by Christ.

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How do we deal with this weakness and inability on our part to change a heart that's been unrebellion? I mean, if you've parented for very long, you start seeing that. I mean, sometimes you see it when the child can't even talk. And you're seeing something of that rebellion built in their hearts. And you're looking in a mirror and you're going, that's me.

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You know, apart from Christ that this me, so how do we, how do we deal with that? Well, here are some options of how people deal with it. Uh, one, we can develop our own set of manipulative techniques that squeeze the children into what we think they ought to be. And, you know, we point our finger at parents that do that, but you know, if you've had kids, you understand sometimes you'll do anything to get

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operate, you know, uh, second thing we can live with frustration that our children are not what we want them to be. And therefore we spend our time blaming our spouse for his or her failures and complaining about the children. It's still not solving anything. A third way we can find a plan that someone guarantees to be successful. You do this, you follow this list. Then you're

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Everything's going to be fine. And so we take that plan and we press hard, even when the kids recoil. And in the end, our children become legalists and we become apologists for that legalistic practice. I remember having numerous conversations with couples that followed this kind of plan and they, they latched on to the teaching of a well-known figure or at least was a number of years ago.

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who was eventually exposed for some moral issues. And even after that exposure, they still held on to these legalistic life sapping principles that this man espouse, they would defend that teaching. Even when their children were emotionally and mentally strangled. Or four thing we can give up, throw in the towel, just let things happen. I don't care. I've had enough.

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Or, and this is what I'm encouraging, we can humbly seek the Lord. We can learn to depend upon the gospel to bear good fruit in our marriage and in our parenting. And while learning to apply the teaching of God's word in unique ways for each child, praying and being an example, we trust the Lord.

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work in our children. We rely upon the grace of God. We learn to live in God's providence with those children. Now cookie cutter outlines for ten ways to a happy home may offer a temporary respite in parenting. They attempt to force a child's unique personalities and God designed lives into someone else's idea

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of what a Christian home should look like. And so usually out of this legalistic practice of stuffing round pegs in the square holds parents get frustrated and they give up and they toss it aside. But some don't, don't toss it aside. They hang on to it. But the problem is they started in the wrong place. It's not that all of those things that these lists say are wrong. Some of them, some of them maybe are good. Uh, but

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It's rather they failed to enjoy the unique way that the Lord has designed them as parents and designed their children that this is where we're going to end up so that those children learned to image God in his creativity and glory in the home. And this is where this, this two verses, uh, in Proverbs is so helpful. It's not a 10 step program. It's not some black and white answer to every. Uh,

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A question that we have is not a list of dos and don'ts. It's just tightly framed outline for how we are to study, think, apply, and rest in the Lord is we build our homes. And so, you know, if you're building a house, you got to have the right kind of materials to start with. Chevy's our builder. Uh, you wouldn't, uh, order, uh, a truckload of Play-Doh and Tinker toys. If you're going to build a house, that's not going to work.

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It's not going to latch. You got to have the right kind of materials. It takes the right kind of materials to build a home. So that's where this passage I found to be so helpful in here's, here's our thesis. The Lord gives gospel oriented materials to build our homes for his glory and our joy, the Lord gives gospel oriented materials to build our homes for his glory. And our joy.

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And he identifies him in three ways, wisdom, understanding, and knowledge. What do you need to build your home? Wisdom, understanding, and knowledge. And as you do that, you construct the home and you fill its rooms with everything that's needed to be a joyous home. So what, what are these building materials? Well, Solomon points us to, to these materials and at first they, they may appear somewhat odd. But.

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He sees this as the essential starting point, wisdom, understanding and knowledge. They're essential, but they may appear somewhat abstract. So let, let me give you three other words that encompass their intention for wisdom. We have the word revelation because wisdom is pointing to the revelation of God in its word, centering in the gospel of Jesus Christ wisdom is

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The revelation of God in his word centering in the gospel of Jesus Christ, understanding the word will give is application application because understanding refers to the application of this gospel centered revelation. To the unique needs of each child. So you're thinking about how does the gospel apply to my child with my child's complexities and personalities and DNA.

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And then knowledge refers to continuation or amplification, because what you're doing, this revelation of God in the gospel that you were applying to each child. You don't just do this once or twice. This is the pattern for you in parenting. This is, this is regular life for you. This is what you're getting in your head. So we, to help us get the lay of the land on this, think about what happens.

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throughout proverbs, you see wisdom, understanding, knowledge scattered throughout proverbs, you have the antithesis of this in chapter one with the one who forsakes wisdom and ends up heating the voice of recklessness and, and it ends up with a destructive life. And so he's pointing to us that there is no shortcut in life by running over others and ruining others. We can't forsake the way of wisdom and pursue other

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horses and no fullness in life a little later and this is what is so very helpful in chapter three. Let's just look at chapter three, uh, verses 19 and 20. If you want to glance at this, and this is where he shows that the Lord use wisdom, understanding and knowledge when he created and built the world. So the Lord founded the earth by wisdom.

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and established the heavens by understanding by his knowledge, the watery depths broke open and the clouds dripped with dew. So the creator created the creation with the same building materials that he has entrusted to us and given us in Christ in the gospel for building our homes. That's how God built the universe. And so you have this divine creativity that took place.

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with wisdom, understanding, and knowledge. And this is true for us. He modeled these materials for us as his image bearers so that our homes might mirror the way he builds. So in Proverbs nine, we find the connection in verse one and then verses five and six. That wisdom has built her house. She has carved out her seven pillars. And then he exhorts in verses five and six.

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To the one who lacks sense, literally the one who lacks understanding. She wisdom says, come eat of my food and drink of the wine. I have mixed leave inexperience behind for sake you're finally. And you will live pursue the way of understanding. And so this metaphorical language is teaching us that the kind of life God wants us to enjoy must be built on wisdom. And that's.

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where we find our satisfaction and wisdom leads us to forsaking the way of folly, the anti-wisdom life, and then pursuing understanding or application to wisdom in all of life. And so what Solomon does, he gives us this trio to build our home. That's, that's not found in some 10 step, 12 step program, but rather it is the fear of the Lord. That is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge of the Holy one.

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is understanding chapter nine, verse 10. So in other words, it's found in relationship to him, wisdom, understanding knowledge are deeply rooted in this relationship to the Lord. So if we're to build a home or build a life or build a marriage that experientially tastes of glory and joy, it begins with God through Christ. To fear the Lord means we trust him. We devote ourselves to him.

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We regard and yield to him and his Lordship over everything. And that's where wisdom in her, her companion starts. So the first thing is wisdom or revelation, revelation, filling our hearts with the wisdom of God in Christ. Now it seems in this context that a house is built by wisdom. Uh, the best way to understand that is by this matter of revelation. And by that, a revelation, I don't mean revelation through prophetic dreams.

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or prophetic voices, not talking about that. Instead, God has revealed himself. He has revealed his truth. He has revealed his ways through holy scripture. We go to the word wisdom looks to the ways of God and it's not have imagining some kind of insights or life philosophies that are distinct from what he has revealed in the word.

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wisdom sets its sights on God's revelation. It sees truth for life and even life itself centered in this revelation of himself in Jesus Christ declared in holy scripture, which is centered and centering the gospel of Christ. It's not some kind of secret wisdom that a few elite people have. That's what happens with.

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Some of these gurus that come around and say, you follow my 10 steps. I know this or somebody that's that I know back when our, I think when our oldest daughter had was first having her kids, there was another guy out in California had this book out. This is the way you do everything. And, and it is that kind of idea that a few super elite people know what to do. No, God's given you his word.

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And he's revealed that in Christ. So think about how Paul explained this in Colossians two, he, he wrote to the believers in Colossian Laodicea. And he said, uh, I want their hearts to be encouraged and joined together in love Colossians two verses one to three so that they may have all the riches of complete understanding, think about application and have knowledge of God's mysteries. Think about this ongoing.

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participation, continuation, to have knowledge of God's mystery, Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

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So where do we find wisdom? Where do we continue to live in knowledge? Paul says he's agreeing with Solomon is found in Jesus Christ. So what that means is that we do not know wisdom or apply it or grow in it apart from knowing him to know him. Begins in the gospel. We believe that he is the God man. He is the incarnate one. He is the one that God sent. And in his death.

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for us, he satisfied all righteousness in eternal justice. And he died that wrath absorbing death at the cross. And we believe that he rose from the dead and in that death, he triumphed over sin and death. And those believing in him have not just an academic knowledge of him, but we experience him as redeemer, as Lord.

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as master as key. That's why husbands and wives living in Christ have wisdom for building their homes, that entry into relationship with Christ is the starting point for discovering that in Jesus are hidden. All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge there in him. So you, you see, you see where we're going. As we grow in him.

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then we're seeing more. We keep building upon this foundation of Christ as Lord and life and Lucas explains, and all the growth and progress in the Christian life must be entirely consistent with its beginning with faith in Christ. So we're not getting off on some kind of philosophical tangent, but we're centering everything in Christ. Wisdom is this revelation of God.

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And revelation is pointing supremely at Jesus Christ in the gospels, the foundation for everything. And so it's no stretch to say that while there are many things that make a home and many things that we can learn from scripture about marriage and singleness and family, the most critical from start to the day of death is this revelation of God in Christ. For it is just here.

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that our character and our conversation and our attitudes and our actions and our love and our service, our forgiving heart, our kindness. That's where our source is. That's where it is. And it is these characteristics that work out of our lives as parents so that they affect everything in our homes and whether we have kids in the home or not, this wisdom is revelation of God in Christ shapes.

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the character and practice in our singleness or in our marriage, it's shaping us as image bearers so that we serve others in a way that honors and glorifies Christ. And we just get to build on that if we're, if we've got kids. And so that's why wisdom revelation built your homes. The Bible reveals Jesus in his person and his work so that through that revelation of the gospel, we come to God and we're changed. Now, let me give you.

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Uh, a few points of action, five of them, one regularly read the word, regularly meditate on how God has revealed himself and his eternal purposes in Christ. Brothers and sisters. I cannot over emphasize that enough. Be in the word every day. Don't take any days off because the very day you take off it's a day. You need that wisdom. That's going to be found in the word. Second.

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Think on how you can apply the effects and fruit of the gospel in your life. How do you make application to that fruit of the gospel, the effect to the gospel? I mean, especially, you think about the fruit of the spirit, the love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, and gentleness, self-control. If we have all those operating in our marriage and in our parenting, talking about sweet, talking about a home

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that's transformed. Well, read the word with a view to applying the word. Third, consider how specific aspects of life in Christ are going to strengthen your marriage and parenting. Consider how specific aspects of life in Christ can strengthen your marriage and parenting. Um, the, the, last talk at a first Peter came out, it came out of my devotional time. Um, yeah, I preached to our

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I preached through first Peter a long time ago, then I'm slowly digging away in it. Haven't accomplished it yet, but that meditation on the application in marriage, when I saw in the same way, he was like, Oh my goodness, I've been missing this all these years, here's that work of Christ that's central. And so apply this in your personal disciplines and walking in love, living in joy, practicing gentleness, walking in humility, exercise and self control. I mean, all those are things.

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that you want to see operating in your life and in your marriage and in your parenting for it. Pray for these areas that look like Jesus to take root in your life, in marriage and in your parenting. And if you're single, that the glory of God is showing through as, as these areas that look like Jesus are taking root in your life. And then fifth, ask the spirit.

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to reveal sins or patterns, habits, unguarded areas in your life that hinder Christ from being evident in you. So ask the Spirit to reveal habits, patterns, sins, unguarded aspects of your life that hinder Christ from being evident in you. Evident in your singleness, evident in your marriage, evident in your parenting. This is to be a daily part of our lives. Do you pray?

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daily Lord, show me my sins. Do you pause? Do you linger with the Lord? Show me my sins. That is to be on practice. All right. Moving on second to have wisdom. We have understanding or application application. It's working God's wisdom in Christ into the family. This is where we see the real heart of what

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of how applicable this is to our parenting. And notice that he says, and it, the home is established by understanding. So understanding has much more to do with wisdom than just some kind of aha moment. I mean, we can relegate understanding to just knowing something better. But this idea, the way Solomon's used it, means knowing something so that you apply it. So when he said,

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The Lord established the heavens by understanding. He doesn't mean that God said suddenly said, Oh, I got this figured out. Oh yeah. No, it means this is how God acted in his wisdom. That's what we do. Wisdom is hidden in Christ. All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. So what are we doing? We are exercising understanding. We are exercising application.

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And so understanding is an action term is not simply a cognitive term. And this is where understanding becomes practically helpful because by it, the home is established. It is established by understanding. And so wisdom involves revelation, grasping the truth until that truth becomes real to you in your whole life. And then.

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understanding takes that truth and begins to work it out in details in your life. So in your singleness, how do you take the wisdom of God and apply that, that wisdom of God in the way you live as a single to the glory of God in your marriage? How do you take that wisdom of God and apply it so that your marriage is to the glory of God? Same way. How do you take that wisdom of God and apply it in your parenting so that your parenting displays the beauty and glory of the gospel?

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Well, this kind of application of revelation is going to vary from one family to another. This is, this is what I want us to see. The revelation is the same. Truth doesn't vary. Truth is truth. God declares that truth in his inspired word, um, uh, by that work of the Holy Spirit and giving us Holy scripture, but how that truth gets applied in decisions made and in conversations. And in.

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single relationships and in marriage and in parenting and in building marital intimacy and in family dynamics and in relationships outside the home and in discipline and a thousand other things is going to be different from one family to another. So if you're single, it's going to be.

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applied in a variety of ways that may differ from the way that some of your friends apply that wisdom. The call in each sphere is to pay attention to the application of the gospel to every aspect of your life and how you are living in the providence of God, where you are with your personality and your DNA. And so this is who the Lord is working in our lives in our unique personalities.

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in our providential relationships and in all the experience and circumstances of life. So what you are experiencing personally, it's going to be different from someone else. So how does the gospel work in you? I mean, there are going to be some similarities. We, we know that, but the point that is important for us to see is that there is no cookie cutter approach to home life that ignores a healthy application of truth.

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The, this kind of life, uh, or the, the kind of life that's based on a rigid list of do's and don'ts doesn't have the impact of understanding the way Solomon's using it, that gospel being applied. Because if you've got a list of do's and don'ts, you don't even have to use your mind. You got your checklist. You got it. I got a magnet on the refrigerator door. Here's the checklist. Here's how everybody's got to conform.

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This is what we're going to do. Those kids don't have to think and you don't have to think because somebody else has sent all the thinking for you and you end up creating legalism. That's not what Solomon's talking about. I think one of the biggest stressors that we, we have, whether we're single, whether we're married is an unwillingness to read and pray and think in order to be biblical.

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to think with a gospel shaped mind, because it takes time to do that and you have to discipline your life toward that end. And there's so many other things that are vying for our attention. So when I'm exhorting brothers and sisters, whether you're single or you're married, or you've been married a long time, like Karen and I have been married for a long time, we're still having to do this. We're still having to apply the gospel in the details of life. And so,

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What I mean by this is you have issues that are unique to your life and your marriage and your family that needs specific application from God's word, not generic ideas. And the only way you see that it's reading the word and praying and thinking on the application and the word. So for example, each person in your home has a distinct personality. It isn't it amazing.

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Even when they're little babies, you start seeing their personality. It's just absolutely fascinating. There's the Imago day. There's that image of God that's showing up and there may be similarities to each one, but there are differences. And so those, uh, with those personalities and their conversation and their body language, they're processing things differently. I mean, we have five kids and those five kids.

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process things differently. They viewed their responsibilities in different ways, sometimes not in good ways. And so here were these challenges. They would react to demands and stress and challenges in different ways. They had different interests and different goals in mind and different levels of maturity. So there was no one size fits all in the home approach.

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This is what we've got to see. There's this array of personalities and interests and viewpoints and levels of maturity and grasp of scripture and stages of spiritual development and stages of maturity and temperaments that live within the walls of your home. So how are you going to instruct and lead that child who overthinks everything compared to that child that shrugs? If a sibling drops a plate.

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shatters it. No big deal. One chatters, oh no, what are we going to do? And the other one like, eh, no big deal, just a plate. Some of you know that. You got them in your homes, don't you? Yep, we have them in our home. So you can approach them differently. We had one kid who was the serial police and he, for some reason, he wanted to make sure that

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that there was no waste of precious cereal. Now he didn't do that with my granola. He didn't care about the granola, but the kids cereal, it, I mean, everybody had to make sure they did not waste anything. You couldn't leave anything in the bowl and you certainly could not pour more into the bowl than you should. And you could not spill any of it on the floor. Now the younger two kids were absolutely terrified by his cereal policing. It, it just, uh,

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did something to them, but he was an over thinker. So we had to deal with him in that overthinking way with a gentleness that models confidence in the Lord with that overthinking, teaching him about the sovereignty of God who opposed the universe. I mean, with other that just kind of lets everything go, you have to exercise a firmness.

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that leans into the need to show concern for others and to take responsibility for helping others in needs. You don't have a cookie cutter list of saying this is how I do it. So I mean, if you ever want one of those, uh, one size fits all sock, maybe it's okay. You know, if you've got a size six foot, uh, but I I've bought those in, they're lying. They don't fit. They do not work.

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Chevy, you've run into that problem, I'm sure. And I know grant has run into that, into that problem. Uh, well, what's the difference where you have one size fits all with marriage and parenting is, is, is not, it's not going to happen. Now there are some basic frameworks and we've been talking about those husbands love your wives is Christ loves the church. Husbands live with your wives and understanding way lives to be submissive to your own husbands as unto the Lord, why I'm see to it that you. Uh,

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respect your husband. Uh, we, we haven't talked about the Ephesians, uh, five or Ephesians six. It says, uh, fathers or parents do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up into fear in admonition of the Lord and children obey your parents. For this is right. That's the framework, but they're going to be dozens of applications that are unique to your own setting. So when we attempt to rigidly squeezed everyone into the family, into

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someone else's idea of what our family ought to look like, you're going to miss out on securing some of the best joys that you can have in your home and you're going to miss out on loving them with a Christ saturated attitude and you'll, you'll stifle some creativity and the lights because you're not taking the time to apply the scripture to that particular personality so that it doesn't squash them.

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But leads him to understanding freedom in Christ. Uh, when I was pastoring, I observed several families had multiple children and they all had good intentions and they took the pre-packaged plan that some speaker gave them use this speaker had strong demanding personality and. He wanted them to stuff their children into his rigid box that he claimed to be God's way. And it left them a mess.

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And some of those children are way grown now have their own kids and they're still dealing with what happened. They're, they're still trying to process that. They're still trying to emerge from that, uh, from the bondage they were living in. There were others that rebelled against what they were taught. It's not that the parents were trying to be evil. They had noble intentions. They didn't want their kids to make some of them the same mistakes they made.

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But they didn't think about the personality. They had a one size fits all. And so we need the framework. Husband's loving, why I'm submitting parents, not provoking the anger, kids obeying, but we also don't need to be lazy in our thinking and observations with our children. It takes mental energy though. So that's, that's why sometimes we, we kind of slide on it. Uh, and, and we might think of that pre-packaged plan, but think about

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How proverbs 22 six puts it. Uh, and actually the CSV, I think has maybe the best translation on this one. Start a youth out on his way, train him for child and where he should go. So the way it usually is. Start a child, uh, start a youth out in his way, uh, or according to his way. And when he was old, he will not depart from it. Uh, Chuck's when don't.

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Explain this is trying to put child according to the events of his life. And so what you're doing, you're giving attention to the personality, the disposition, the interest, the maturity. Uh, as you train correct and lead your children, uh, one of the fun things through the years for me was teaching our kids how to drive care and relegated that responsibility to me. I gladly took it. I was glad to do that. And even did that with.

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uh, some of our grandchildren. And so I realized that each one in teaching them had a different personality. So I had to do them differently. And you know, some, I could be very firm about things to others. I had to be a little more gentle and judicious. And so, um, when, when I was teaching our oldest daughter to drive, uh, we, I, I let her younger brother go and sit in the back seat while we're in this big.

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empty parking lot at night and I had a five speed. I wanted to learn how to, how to drive the five speed. And, and so I would say now you ease down on the accelerator. Just think of it like there's an egg sitting on it. You don't want to crush the egg. You want to be gentle and you want to do the same thing. You want to ease off on the clutch. East down, ease off. Well, you don't know her, but her personality is not east down.

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Stomp and jerk. That's her personality. And I mean, it was her personality from time. She was a little baby to this very day. That's her personality. So she kept dump. We call it dumping the clutch. So if you driven it, you know what dumping the clutch is you, you hit the accelerator and then you jerked a clutch in the engine stops and so we were just jerk, jerk, jerk, and I'd say east end and I did it softly east on the accelerator.

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He's off on the clutch, you know, this, this process going, and she just kept dumping the clutch. So her brother, 12 years old, never been behind a driver's, the, the steering wheel says, it says to her, don't you hear what dad is saying? East down on the accelerator, ease off on the clutch. And she said, if you're so smart, why don't you come do it? I said, stop the car. That's a good idea. So I had her go in the backseat.

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I had him, twelve year old, sit in the driver's seat. What do you do? Smooth as silk.

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Very first time, not even a bump. It was like he'd been driving for 30 years.

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That was what my daughter needed. She got in and it humbled her and she thought I need to listen and smooth as silk she took off. Well, I didn't, I didn't make fun of her. Now I was laughing. I couldn't contain myself. I was laughing, but here was her personality with, with this son. I could, I could have been firmer with him. He got it at that point at other points. I had to be much, much firmer with him.

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Uh, but with her, I had to, uh, I had to be gentler, um, with, I have to say this one because this is kind of fun with our oldest granddaughter, she can, she can do anything. She just so good at things, but she's super conscientious. She doesn't want to do the wrong thing. So I took her out to drive for the first time we're in a parking lot and there's a curve with a curb in a drop off.

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About 15 feet drop off. So, you know, you don't want to jump to curve and do that. So we're, we're driving around. She's, she's doing well. This was an automatic, but you know, she had never driven before. So she's driving around, but she's starting to feel a little more like I got this. So she starts going around this curve with the curb in the 15 foot drop off. And she had sped up so much. She had almost gunned it and I had to go hit the brakes and I grabbed the steering wheel and jerked it.

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And she stopped and she was just scared. And I said, we're not gonna tell your parents about this. She said, oh good, thank you, thank you, dad, aunt. Because that would have so deflated her and your personality because I watched her. And so this was that application. That's what I'm talking about. Pay attention to your children. You not only have varying personalities in your home, you've got...

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varied experiences of Providence. God brings different circumstances, actions, difficulties, challenges, opportunities in, uh, into the home. And one's facing something that the other's not facing. And so that writer who gives you a checklist doesn't know your children and they don't know the Providence of God in your life. And you're following that, that grocery style list of family life in the unfolding Providence is.

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of God and what you need instead is this lively ongoing grasp of God's revelation that you're implying, you're applying to your children, cookie cutter approach. You won't work. You're going to have your faces in the word and in prayer and being sensitive for how you apply that word in their lives. I remember a number of years ago, there was a tornado that came, came through

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And it literally went over the house where we were living at that time, and then just started dropping down and got over in the area close to Houston high school and, and came down and destroyed some homes in one of our kids classmates from the previous year died in that, in that tornado. And you understand remember how stunned he was and how grieve we were. We didn't know the child, but he did. He was a, he was a friend. So.

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This wasn't time for us to have the checklist. Oh, you got to go clean your room. You're going to pick your toys up. You got to go do this and that. No, it was just hugging on him and him watching. How do we respond to a bitter providence? What are we teaching him? How do we speak into his life? And so he needed to hear us praying for this family that had gone through loss and discussing God's providence. So that with his young mind, he would know how to

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how to have some way to deal with that. Application makes you sensitive to where every family member is with the Lord. One that's unbelieving, you wanna nurture their hearts toward Christ. You wanna create a legalist. If you don't quit doing this, God's gonna get you. No! There is a sign, famously, on I-65.

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Between Montgomery and Birmingham, there was a lake. So if you ever go to the beach that way on the way back, you'll see it. Go to church on Sunday or the devil is going to get you. Some of you probably seen that if you've come back from the beach. Uh, I just saw it driving back from Montgomery. Uh, and I thought what utterly poor theology. So you go to church and you still go to hell because you don't know Christ. And so it's horrible theology.

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Don't give your kids bad theology. Nurture their hearts toward Christ. And this queer Ted trips book, shepherding a child's heart is a really good book for parenting and helping us to think on that. Pay attention to their personalities, their temperaments, their interests, their stages of life. You're going to do a teenager a lot different than what you're doing. Uh, you're a toddler and you're going to be talking at them in different levels. You're going to be, uh, I mean, just, just as

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Tell us from the slippery to wives in an understanding way. You're going to be living with your kids in an understanding way so that you understand better, how do I apply the word in their lives and the effect of it. Well, did those kids follow Christ in the grand scheme? The effect of it is going to change the family dynamic. It's going to affect those relationships. And I believe even, uh, even if all those children don't follow Christ.

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They may very well, so have extraordinary appreciation for you in the way you treat them and train them. So the third thing, and I'll do this much quicker and then we're going to do Q and a is continuation living in God's wisdom. I'm looking at our schedule. I'm okay. Joshua, man, I'm doing this on fly. All right.

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Continuation living in God's wisdom in Christ. This is the knowledge and by knowledge, the rooms are filled with every precious and beautiful treasure. So wisdom is taking the revelation of God centered in Christ in his word, understanding that this understanding is applying appropriately that word and knowledge means you're going on in it. You're continuing in it. You are amplifying it. Proverbs 3 20.

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by his knowledge, the watery depths broke open and the clouds drip with dew. In other words, knowledge in this case is not static information that the Lord held in his memory, but it's his truth, his wisdom that's continuing to be applied in his creation. And so if we're learning God's revelation of himself centered in Christ and we're applying that revelation in our family's

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varied personalities and stages of life and provinces and interests. We don't just do this once. This is the pattern. This is, uh, is a ongoing process of life. And so Paul does this similarly in Colossians one, he takes the same trio clashes one nine to 12 for this reason. Also since today we heard of this, we haven't stopped praying for you. We were asking that you may be filled, filled with the knowledge of his will. So this

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continuation, this amplification of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding. So here's this wisdom, here's the application, and now you're continuing in it. And so Paul is relating this grass of the will of God found in the word, applying it and staying in it. So let's think about that in terms of our homes. How do we keep this going?

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Well, I want to give you, um, an example that is not about the home, but the pattern is absolutely perfect because we would like to determine our children's outcome in life. We would that's our motive, but can't. So if we do that and we try to squeeze them, then we're going to, we're going to be missing out on the joy.

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and creativity in their lives as image bearers that, that are going to show up as we are trying to apply the word in their lives rather than creating legalists. And so how do, how do we do that? Well, let me give you this example in Acts 14, Paul and Barnabas had in verse 21, 23 had been through the ancient Asia minor, uh, and had

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planted churches and, and so, you know, you got Lystra and Derby and places like that, uh, Iconium, uh, Antioch and they, and what they, they, they did three things, they taught and equipped the churches in the gospel and healthy church life. So they taught them and they equipped them. The second thing they established good patterns and structures for them. They established elder plurality.

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in all of these churches. So they gave them a framework for what they had taught so that it would continue. And then the third thing, they provided a good faithful example of what it looks like to live life in Christ. And then this is what Luke says right at the end in verse 23, acts 14, and they commended them to the Lord.

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They commended them to the Lord. So there were no guarantees these churches were gonna follow through. But they did what God had entrusted them to do. What do we do as parents? We teach and train them in the instruction of the Lord.

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We give them a healthy family life. We model marriage to them. We give them life structures so that they learn what it is to function together in other relationships. And then we give them an example. We model what is it like to have a Christ-centered marriage? And then we commend them to the Lord. We commend them to the Lord. Does that mean if you have kids that all your kids will become

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Christians. We don't know that. That and see, this is where out of good intentions, we want all of our kids to follow Christ. Sometimes they don't, but let that not be because we failed to teach them, give them a framework and model the gospel for them. Let it not be those things that have gotten in a way.

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This is the sovereign work of God. But it does mean you've laid a gospel foundation for their lives. It does mean you've established ability in your life, your home, your marriage, and you've set an example for living the Christ life. And in that process, there will be surprising joys in seeing God at work through the application of his word. And maybe

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That unbelieving child is going to come to faith in Christ. That unbelieving child is going to remember, this is what I saw.

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And there is the mercy of God. So know Jesus in his revelation in the gospel, that's wisdom. Apply the gospel in its fullness to the whole of life, all the variety of life, that's knowledge. And keep pressing on in Christ, applying the gospel, learning and growing and maturing, that's understanding. May the Lord give grace to us in that. Amen.

Session 3 - Ephesians 5 Continued & 1 Peter 2

All right, so good to see you and good to be able to open the word again. So if you'll open your rivals to, uh, let's, let's go back to Ephesians chapter five and pick up where we left off. We were looking at this incredible passage in chapter five. We were first in verses 15 through 21. We just see.

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Clear cut path. How do you live for Christ? How do you do that? Well, you pay attention to your walk. You are conscious of your time. You make sure you use your time for the glory of God. You seek to walk in, uh, in, in the will of the Lord instead of being foolish. So anything's not walking with the Lord. It's foolish. Uh, and, and, and by the way, I think if that's the case,

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The Lord didn't going to be making his will so mysterious that you can't know it because he does not want you walking in foolishness. He wants you walking in as well. So he makes his well known to us. Uh, I think we overcomplicate it because there are things we want. And, uh, and the Lord moves us in some different directions. Most of the times to point out last night, most of the time, the will of God is so very, very clear because just writing the word, just follow after what he says. And then.

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We're to be filled with the spirit instead of being controlled by other things. And then we're to be engaged with the body of Christ, the way we speak and sing and give thanks and submit to one another. And then that moves into the marriage relationship. And we talked about submission that wives be, uh, why I'm submit to your husbands, not to men in general, but to your husbands as to the Lord. And.

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We, uh, we talked about how submission is not mouseyness. It's an attitude of the heart. It is modeled in Jesus submitting to the father. So Philippians two is that model that you keep in mind when you think about submission, so there there's nothing degrading in that it is not subjugation totally, totally different. This is a beautiful attitude of heart. That.

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Battles that tendency of pride. Think about part of the result of the fall and how the woman battles against the man. I mean, that that's part of the curse. What submission does it fights that natural tendency to battle against and instead to seek to build up and encourage. And then we, we stopped with, uh, talking about the guys. So let's pick up.

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verse 25, um, well verse 23, uh, because the husband is the head of the wife as crisis, the head of the body, he is the savior of the body. Now it's the church submits to Christ. So also wives are to submit to their husbands and everything. And then, then he gives his explanation in this declaration husbands love your wives. Well, how much, how do we, how do we love them? Husbands love your wives.

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just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her with the washing of water by the word. And of course, the Lord says, I offer the church, he did this to present the church to himself in splendor without spot or wrinkle or anything like that, but holy and blameless in the same way, in the same way as Christ, husbands are to love their wives as their own bodies.

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He who loves his wife loves himself or no one ever hates his own flesh, but provides and cares for it just as Christ does for the church, uh, since we are members of his body. So what's involved in Hedge Up? Well, Hedge Up involves faithful loving leadership. And, uh, it, as, as we think about it, uh, it is servant leadership modeled.

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on that of Jesus in the gospel. So you got Philippians two, you, you, you've got the whole passion near two, you've got the whole life of Christ submitting to the father's lady. You you've got the whole picture of Jesus servant leadership for the son of man came not to be served, but to serve and to give his life a ransom for many. And then in John 13, what do you see Jesus that the

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introduction that that's given there that Jesus knowing that he was going back to the father, Jesus knowing everything that was getting ready to happen in his death. He knew that he understood that. And then he takes off his robe, girds himself with a towel and church washing the disciples feet. And they don't know what to do, but that's Jesus. That's the model. That's the model for headship.

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It is servant leadership and we're to contemplate that just as I would say, ladies contemplate Philippians too. I'd say guys contemplate John 13. Uh, Jonathan Lehman in his book authority has, I think the very best brothers, the very best section on what headship means. And I encourage you to, to read that. He said to cultivate oneness that.

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that the husband's job description is to cultivate oneness by leading and loving his wife in the shared work of earthly dominion, relying on her to help, uh, on her help, her competence and her wisdom. And so it's not some guy going rogue saying, Hey, this is my marriage. I'm controlling it, but rather it is the husband seeing.

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the beauty of his helper and her competence and her wisdom and leading from that angle. So what, what does headship look like? Well, it is headship, uh, in headship that the husband primarily focuses on his wife. She is his, uh, his priority. Uh, we'll look in a few minutes at first Peter three, seven husbands live with your wives in an understanding way.

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At Lehman writes it's knowing and understanding her, her frame, her gifts, her vulnerabilities, her hurts, her joys and her opportunities to grow and flourish. So you're paying attention. Uh, it is sacrificial love at every level, which means that in headship, the husband does not think of himself and his desires, but rather he's thinking of those of his wife. And you, you see.

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Jesus modeling that everything he did, he did to make the bride, holy cleansing her with the washing of the water or the word to present the church to himself in splendor without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she would be holy and blame us. He's doing that for the, for his, his bride. And in that kind of love, the husband is giving himself away for his wife's good. Uh, again, and I'm going to quote Jonathan Lehman several times here.

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Uh, he says every husband is his wife's head and he explains that headship as a covenant or language leads to oneness in marriage. So when you're, when you're thinking about being head, you're thinking about, okay, what's the aim is toward oneness. And that oneness is a display of the oneness that we have in Christ, which is the display of the oneness that you see in the Trinity. And then he says, and what's crucial to recognize is.

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This is inevitable. Once married, he doesn't need to make himself the head. He simply is. And the point he's making is this is the way God has established it. And so you have governmental frameworks and you have those who are head of it. You have pastoral frameworks and church frameworks. You have those who are head in terms of the way they're functioning.

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And he said, he can be a life giving head or a life stealing head, a present head or an absent head, but he is the head. It is rooted in creation design itself. And Lehman calls this level of the husband's authority, not an authority of command and demands, and that is so important. I think this is where a lot of guys think the watch got to do what I say. Well, not if you'd been a fool.

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stupid. Absolutely not. She's got a whole lot better sense than you do. He says it is an authority of counsel. I think that's the optimum term here in authority of counsel. And this type of authority differs from other areas of authority. It's headship involving wise counsel out of love that does not attempt to manipulate or to make demands.

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or misuse or act with an authoritative spirit, but he's treating his wife as an equal honoring her with respect, understanding the whole person so that the husband and wife are participating in decisions and direction with the husband initiating, leading, and modeling the servant leadership of Jesus Christ. That's a whole lot better picture than.

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than a lot of times painted, isn't it? Uh, in this position, he seeks to die to self and unselfishly help his wife as a fellow heir of the grace of life. As first first Peter three seven says, and so it's never about the husband trying to get his way, nor is it about stubbornness and thinking that his way is always right. That's where we differ from Christ because his way is always right. We need the wife's counsel.

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Uh, it's the way of love. It's seeking to best lead his wife so that her trust in joy in Jesus is going to be growing through the years. It's love that seeks the best for his wife, even as Christ does the church. Love controls his leadership in his decisions as he considers what's best for her spiritually, physically, emotionally, socially, financially, relationally. It's a love that finds.

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his greatest aim in the fulfillment of his wife. Now, a brother's not gonna be good at doing that if he's not walking with the Lord. Because we are so weak and so inadequate. We need the grace of Christ to be working in us and enabling us. If the husband is not loving his wife with a sacrificial giving attitude, then he will not be appropriately leading her as.

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the head of the home. And so he's totally failing at that. And this is where Jesus is always the model. And while as husbands, we're not there in every way, but by any means, we got to be heading in that direction to be like him, the way we love and seek what's best for our wives. And this is where, as I mentioned last night, be patient with yourself, be patient with your wife, wives, be patient with yourself, be patient with your husband.

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Help him along that way, along that way. He's learning. There's so many things to be stripped from his life so that he's heading in that direction. And this kind of love is gauged in check by loving his wife, even as he loves himself, that's what Paul says, even as he cares for himself. And so the union of the relationship implies that the husband and wife are growing together in such intimacy that to consider one is to consider the other.

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Can you think about him being separated? And so his use of time, his money, decisions, his career, his service is gonna give equal consideration to his wife as much as to himself. And this kind of love provides and cares for or nourishes and cherishes his wife. Now, Paul uses the same kind of language when he talks about parents.

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nourishing and caring for their children. We, we don't have any trouble understanding that. Uh, I, you know, it's fun watching you guys nourish and care for your children to provide and care for them. I mean, uh, we, we love doing that with our kids and with our grandkids. And so it's easy for us to see with children, but Paul says here, husband, that's your, your aim towards your wife. You say, does that mean I'm supposed to baby?

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I mean, in some ways, yeah. I mean, how are you treating that child? So treat your wife that way. I thought Lehman's summary of how headship works better is, uh, works better than anything else that I've read on it. So I'm just going to give you, uh, a number of Jonathan Lehman quotes. I did, I sent Jonathan, uh, uh, a text and said, this is the best thing I've read. I just want you to be encouraged on it. Don't get the big kid, but be encouraged.

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So he said in Hitchip, you take the initiative in ending arguments by choosing gracious, if need be apologetic words. You have nothing left to prove. You're done with self justification because you're justified in Christ. Do you see how he's rooting this in the cross because of who you are in Christ, because of what crisis done that changes the way that you respond to your wife. You get in those tense situations. It's.

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Why do I need all this self justification? I've got the greater justification. So let's end this. Uh, he said, you take the initiative and spiritual leadership in the home by having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, there's that whole. Nurturing spiritual element. You don't have to require perfection of her today. You're playing the long game. The question is not, can you get her to be a perfect wife today? The question is.

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Can you help her to look more like Jesus over the next 50 years by acting like Jesus yourself? That's the goal. That's where you want to go. Even when she's behaving towards you in some way that is frustrating and perhaps sinful, you take the initiative in exemplifying the patience and forgiveness of Christ, that is how Christ has loved you.

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She is your number one priority more than friends, work, parents, career aspirations, hobbies. Christ didn't lay his life down for anyone else, only the church in the, the same way that's the model with the husbands. And then he says, you can never ever use your authority in any way to hurt or abuse her for crisis, never abused you. And so I think that.

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Gives us a few questions. How do we care for our wife? How do we speak to her? What's our tone towards her? Do we spend time with her? Do we pay attention to her? Do we set our eyes on her and own no other? Well, marriage also, the fourth thing in your outline marriage involves leaving and cleaving, which means.

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to leave in cleave for the purpose of establishing an intimate union. So Paul quotes Genesis two, Jesus does the same thing, it's one of the most quoted passages in the New Testament. For this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, cleaved to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. Now, we sometimes leave

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Uh, parents and other relationships physically, but we don't do that emotionally. And this is where we, we have to think, you know, do I bring up comparisons about other relationships? No, throw that out the window. Do, do I long for days of no responsibility? Get over it. You you've you belong to your wife. She belongs to you. You're leading her. Uh,

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Forget about the laziness of other eras in your life. Do we indulge your minds in pornography or steamy movies or course social media sites? If you do that, you're not leaving and cleaving. You're violating that. And, and consequently that affects the intimate union, the oneness that you have.

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You've got to battle against that. There's no place for it. And brothers, if you haven't struggled with that, come talk to one of the pastors and get and build some deep accountability in your life and press on. You, you can't, you can't stay in that. Uh, it, it would destroy you. Absolutely. And I would say sisters, it would destroy you because I know this is not just a guy.

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It's a, it's a gal thing. And there, there are a lot of women that have struggles in this same area. What are you listening to? What are you watching? Uh, what are the things you're seeing? Those are the kinds of things that hinder this oneness, this, uh, intimate union that you have. So in this declaration that, uh, that Paul is quoting from Genesis, there's no other relationship or focus.

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That is to rival our marriage. There is no other question about where our relational priority lies. And so we, we have to look and say, okay, is my, is my job encroaching on that. And I've had to look at that as a pastor because it's not that the jobs we're doing are evil. They're they're good. I mean, what, whatever you're doing, it's good, but has it become an idol in your life?

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And if that's the case, it's affecting your spiritual life and it affects your marriage and so you have to, you have to reel in, you have to see those kinds of things there are, there are a lot of pastors that wreck their marriages doing good stuff and there are a lot of, uh, Lawyers and doctors and, uh, electricians and construction workers. And I'm just keep going down the line that wreck their marriage because.

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They seem to be married to their work.

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Those things with your job will be there the next day. And so you have to realize, okay, they'll be there. I can't, I can't conquer all that in a day and learn how to draw lines. Leaving means there's a new set of priorities in your relationships. And so you're, you're setting your real affections upon your marriage. Cleaving joining together.

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Is it's a term it's conveys the idea of cementing, welding together. It's the language of intimacy. Uh, and it's highlighted by the two becoming one flesh. He's talking about sexual intimacy here. So he's, he's not, he's not putting that aside as a fringe benefit of marriage, but rather he is insistent that the husband and wife develop and cultivate romance in marriage.

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culminating with the joy of regular sexual intimacy. That is part of marriage. That is a gift from the Lord that is to be enjoyed only in the marriage relationship between a man and a woman. And, uh, and that is part of the strength of building your relationship. Um, I mean, you know, this is kind of thing that I think sometimes couples are struggling in their marriage. And maybe one of the reasons they're struggling is because.

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They're not enjoying sexual intimacy with each other. They're too busy. They're too frazzled with everything with their kids and, uh, their, their schedules are out of whack. And that's where you prioritize this sexual intimacy. It's a good thing. It's a gift from God. It's not something dirty. It's not something extra. It is central in the marriage relationship. I said that pretty plainly, didn't it? Okay. All right. Uh,

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In other words, the most basic foundational teaching in the Bible regarding marriage, uh, is that marital intimacy is highlighted. It's not just a critical component, but a necessary component to a healthy marriage. And so we don't give time to building sexual intimacy and, and building romance in the marriage. So it's not just the sex acts. It's that whole romance. So I was talking about some last night.

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We've left out a cornerstone of marital health and all other components in marriage add to building and deepening intimacy. And so you can't just be focused on that one thing. You you've got to live with your wife and understand your way. You've got to be submissive to your husband. You've got to lead your wife or servant leadership. All of that adds to the whole picture in marriage and building a life of intimacy together.

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And then the, the, the fifth thing in this passage is love and respect must frame the relationship, frame the healthy relationship and marriage. Uh, verse 32, this mystery is profound. That is the whole mystery of marriage is profound. The whole mystery of leaving and cleaving is profound, but I'm talking with, uh, about Christ and the church or with reference to Christ and the church. And so Paul's explaining to.

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Massive, massive truths, the relationship of Christ in the church, the relationship of a husband and wife, and there was a mystery in this. And then he says to sum up each one of you is to love his wife as himself. I let the wife see to it that she respect her husband. And so love is not specified for the wife because it goes without saying is she is selflessly love. She will respond.

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in love and they'd love the husband gives himself to his wife, uh, sacrificially to meet her needs, to fulfill her and do what's best for her in the wife's respect builds up her husband. And it's seen in the attitude, the tone of voice, uh, the way you look at him, uh, your countenance before him and your, uh, your concern for your husband's needs. All right. Can we shift gears? Go to first Peter.

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chapter two, first Peter chapter two. It is odd shifting gears like that, but we're going to do it. First Peter chapter two. And if you've got some questions about the Ephesians five, when we do the Q and A let's, let's talk about those things. All right. This is a passage that a portion of it I preached at Midtown last year, I think. So if somebody if you say, it sounds a little bit familiar, it's because it is.

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The application is we look at chapter three verses one through seven. You'll see is, is, uh, driving home to marriage. What Peter is describing in this whole work of living across evidence life. So what we want to look at is living across evidence marriage. All right. If you don't have a handout for this pastor, Joshua has them that will help you to follow along.

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I'm just going to read the text as we go to each section because we're, we're going to look at three sections versus 11 and 12, and then we're going to drop down versus 21 to 25 and then, uh, well, actually we're going to drop down to chapter three versus one through seven. Then we're going to come back to chapter two versus a 21 to 25. That sounds confusing. I don't think it will be as we go through it. So I did my first marriage.

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counseling session without intending to. And I was totally unprepared. I was a single college student.

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Just telling you I'm serving on staff in a church and this very respected lady in our church who had kids in my youth group, uh, came to me and I thought she was going to talk to me about some of her kids and yeah, she had a few things she could talk to me with her kids about. Uh, but instead she started telling me that she needed to help in her marriage. You can imagine me. I'm sitting there, you know, I'm 20 or 21 years old. I'm sitting there listening to this lady who has.

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a son that was, I think a year younger than me. And she's talked to me about her marriage and I'm just thinking, Oh my goodness, what am I doing here? And so I sat there and listened to her. I realized I didn't have anything in the well to draw from and to pour out, but I did have the word of God to give her encouragement, to press on and sanctification and in prayer and to pray with her.

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It seemed that what was happening, the Lord was teaching me something very foundational, not just for counseling later on, but for my own marriage that I had the word of God, because when you get married, you don't have a deep well about marital experience. You have observed and hopefully you have asked questions and hopefully you've read and so you've thought about things concerning marriage, but it's different. Once you get into that relationship. I mean, it.

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You know, it's just like anything in life. You go through teacher training and you learn a lot of stuff in college to say, this is good. Then you get in the classroom. Like, what am I doing? But you know, what's happening? It's the same thing in pastoring. You go through seminary, you got, you know, you made good grades, hopefully. And, you know, you, you did all your work and then Sunday keeps coming every week. It's unrelenting. And all these things you think.

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You know, what, what have I gotten into that? That's the same reality in marriage. You, you know, the, the, the wedding is over. The honeymoon is over and you're having so much fun with each other and you're enjoying all the intimacy of marriage and you're eating out and no responsibilities. Then you come back, you go back to work, back to real life. And here's this challenge in this grind. How do you deal with that? Well,

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You don't have a deep well at that point of experience, but you got the word of God, and this is where the word is enabling us to see that marriage is the most efficient arena of sanctification that you could ask for. So those of you who are single, I encourage you to get married because marriage is the most effective means of sanctification for your life.

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There's a good motive for marriage. I'm, I'm just saying, I'm just tossing that out. And so it's sufficient because. Do you are regularly facing your weaknesses and your spouse's weaknesses and you both need to apply the gospel. And so what are you doing in sanctification? You're applying the gospel. That gospel is working deeply in you. And so your weakness may be a point of pride that's spilling over and you're saying hurtful words or.

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the, or maybe it's irritation showing up in an attitude or maybe, uh, it is, uh, selfishness that doesn't notice your spouse and you're neglecting to serve your spouse and maybe it just cold heartedness and it's chilling your communication. Well, all those are areas that come right back to your spiritual life. I mean, honestly, I mean, I, I'll put a percentage on it.

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99.9% of the things that we struggle with in marriage are going to come back to our spiritual life.

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I mean, okay, I'll, I'll be generous 98%. I mean, there, there might be, you know, a few things like, um, Hey, yeah, I forgot to empty the dishwasher. Okay. I'm not going to call that your spiritual life. You just forgot you were busy, but most of it is going to come back to your spiritual life, which means that. Do you.

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See your weaknesses, you speak, or maybe you don't even see your weaknesses, but you see your spouse's weaknesses and those are going to come in different angles and you're, you've got to learn grace and forgiveness and love and kindness because your home is supposed to be a display of the servant heart of Jesus. And so together you're to be mirroring.

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Loving and, and, and serving Jesus, you're to be mirroring that relationship of Christ with his bride, the church, but it doesn't always happen. So here's what I've commonly seen happen over the years and then with marriages in various contexts. And including in conversations with, with some guys internationally, one is there's procrastination. Too many couples fail to address marital issues and what they do, they wait.

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till they're maybe at a point of just total impasse or total implosion. Then they try to get some help and they're expecting a counselor or a pastor, uh, an elder to give them a quick painless way to deal with it. It's not going to happen. A second is neglect. They, the husband and or the wife has neglected their spiritual life. The mat, their marriage is strained and, uh,

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And it's not that we can't have some strange sometimes when we're walking with Lord because we're going to have that we haven't arrived. We're still, we're still wrestling. We're still struggling, but this is when the adversary really attacks us at all seasons, so we have to pay attention, not just to our walks, but also to our spouse and how to best love and serve our spouse with grace. And if we get cold in our spiritual life, it's going to spill over into our marriage a third.

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A problem is self centeredness. Uh, this is where there, there's a stalemate in our marriage because of stubbornness and pride. I want my way and that's the only way is going to be. Brothers and sisters. You can't do that in marriage. You just, you just can't, you have to die to that. Um, it, if you're not seeking to grow together in Christ,

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and grow in the beauty and depth of marriage. Uh, if you're not learning that at the heart of marriage is humble, servant heartedness, then you're probably not going to be very quick to admit faults and discuss weaknesses and bend in humble service and consider the glory of Christ, but thank God. We don't have to be there. There's there's a better way. And that weighs this. And here, here's my, here's my thesis.

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We must take our marriages to Jesus. We must take our marriages to Jesus who died in Rose so that we might daily live in the Christ life. We must take our marriages to Jesus who died in Rose so that we might daily live in the Christ life. And so what we have to ask is where is this connection with the Christ life really living out what it is to be in union with Jesus? Where is that?

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with regard to the patterns and practices in marriage. So this is what I want us to think about. We'll look in chapter two, verses 11 and 12 at an exhortation to live the Christ life. And so it's showing a foundation for the Christ life. And then we'll look at the example in marriage in chapter three, verses one to seven that shows the cross centeredness of marriage that is working out of this union with Christ. And then.

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in chapter two, verses 21, 25, we'll put it all together and we'll see what is Christ provided because when you look at, um, wives be submissive to your own husbands in chapter one, verse three, husbands, Olivia, the wives in an understanding way is a fellow heir of the grace of life. In verse seven, when you see those, you think, how am I going to do that? Well, he explains in chapter two, verses 21 to 25, Jesus has provided what you need.

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So that's what I want us to see. So first is the exhortation to live the Christ life. Now I'm, I'm going to slide over a lot of the context here. I don't like doing that, but just know Peter has unpacked in chapter one, verses three to 12 that we've been born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Christ from the dead. And in that Jesus has.

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has changed our natures. He's renewed our affections and he's captivated us. And so the new normal for Christians is to live the Christ life, to live in Christ. And so we could say, well, the Christ life is sent him from being a real disciple of Jesus, being a follower of Jesus, being a Christian. And so in that Christ is all to us. Christ is being formed in us.

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Christ's character is being worked in us and out of us. Christ is, uh, is, uh, is shaping us so that we mirror him. He becomes our treasure in our joy and the whole of life. That's our sanctification and that's what sanctification is all about. That's why it's happening. It is certain insure in Christ, you know, talk about that in a moment. It is that sanctification is certain insure in Christ so that.

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It continues in our developing to look more like Christ. And yet with all this, we still need reminders. We still have patterns of sin. We, we still have those things etched in our brain. So when we came to faith in Christ, the computer did not get wiped. So there's a blank slate and you're having to reformat everything. No, their patterns are still there. And some of those viruses are still there.

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But he's given you his provision in his death and resurrection to deal with them. And, and, and so, uh, this means we can't take time off from our spiritual life. We, we can't get comfortable with, um, with playing spiritually. So how do we deal with that? Let me give you three things that he says in verses 11 and 12. First is remember your nationality. Remember your nationality. Verse 11.

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Dear friends, I urge you as strangers and exiles to abstain from sinful desires that wage war against this. So he, he is reminding these recipients of this epistle in the Roman empire that you got another citizenship. Like Paul put it, our citizenship is in heaven, which we eagerly wait for a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ. So.

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You're in the world, but you don't belong to the world. You are now strangers and exiles. You are to remember your homeland. So you got to get that in mind because what's happening, the world is wrapping itself around us. The world is enticing us and we have to live like we're citizens of heaven. So think about what the world does. It, uh,

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It treats the idea of heaven as something boring, so we don't even want to talk about it.

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Can heaven really be boring? Can that which the infinite God and all of his perfections and majesty and glory, can he create something that will last forever? This boring, no way. But what does the world do? I don't want to talk about heaven. Yeah. That's kind of a kind of a strange subject. No, it's should be part of our conversation. I mean the whole word hope.

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That is in Christ is emphasis that we see in the old Testament, in the new Testament, the hope is pointing toward heaven. So we have to learn to think in that, uh, uh, you know, think about how, uh, the world, uh, treats what's going on in the spiritual life is, uh, as though it can't. Uh, it can't compare with all the stuff that we have, all the new developments. We even have AI now.

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whatever all that is. Uh, I mean, uh, I've got to get Matt super doc to explain all that to me because it is just crazy. I mean, how do you, how do you deal with, with, uh, all that? Do we think that the infinite imagination of our God will not have. Vistas that we will enjoy for all eternity. We're not going to get bored in heaven. We're going to be sitting around plucking a heart floating on a cloud.

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wondering what's going to happen. We're going to be caught up in grandeur and glory. I mean, we look around and the world tells us there, there's so much to enjoy as though Jesus joy is a thimble compared to the ocean of the world. I mean, why did the biblical writers use some of the most imaginative language to describe that which is ahead? You think about Isaiah and Ezekiel and, and even what?

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John was doing and Paul at points and certainly our Lord when he's describing in Mark 13, Matthew 24, as he's pointing to eternal things. I mean, why did they talk about the otherworldly atmosphere of heaven with such imaginative language? Because we don't even have enough with our pea-brain understanding in the things we see now. We don't have enough to grasp it.

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And so they just give all these pictures. So remember your nationality. Second, engage in the battle. Uh, and so he says, I urge you as strangers and exiles, and here's the battle to abstain from sinful desires that wage war or literally campaigns against your soul. So there's this battle raging in the battlefield is your mind and your soul that the passions.

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Of the flesh, the sinful desires, the fleshly lust exists within us. And this is where our understanding of life in crisis. So critical while we have a new nature in Christ, you still live in the same body. And Paul makes his distinction in Romans six, uh, in, in verse six, he says, for we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin. Might be rendered.

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powerless so that we may no longer be enslaved to sin. So he's talking about crosswork taking place to render ineffective those patterns by which we've been living. And, and, and then Paul goes on in that same Romans 12 and then verses 12 and Roman six and verses 12 and 13 to tell us we're not to be passive. This is not something we sit back and say, okay, Lord, I'm waiting for you to do all this in my life.

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No, when we're abstaining from the sinful desires that await you in war against our soul, Paul writes in Romans six, therefore do not let sin rain in your mortal body that you should obey. Don't let sin rain.

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You can't be passive. That means every day you're engaging in the battle every day. There's a warfare going on. Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its desires and do not offer any parts of it that is your body. Your members says the new American standard, uh, translates it. Do not offer any part of you to sin as weapons of unrighteousness, your eyes, your ears, your thinking.

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Your steps you're going, I mean, that's where we're learning to die. And to see him, we're learning to deal with those patterns of the flesh. So that because we live in a mortal body, we live in a body that is subject to death. And yet we're inhabited as a new person in Jesus Christ. We still have that same brain, but it is a brain that is being renewed.

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And that's why the apostle Paul in Ephesians four 23 says, be renewed in the spirit of your minds. This is something that's ongoing. Uh, and it's interesting. It's a passive verb here, which means the Lord is acting upon you in this renewal. So you're, it's not like you're coming up with, I got to come up with a plan. No, God's already given you a person. It's in Christ.

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The Holy spirit working for this renewal to take place. Uh, and so your, your definitive position of sanctification is that you are a new creature in Christ. You are a new person. Your ongoing progressive sanctification is you're making sure that you continue to grow because you are applying what Jesus did in the cross. So you're not passive about that.

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Uh, you're, you're battling clinging to those things that keep you from looking like Christ. And so Peter says, abstain, hold yourselves away from these desires. And that active abstaining from the passions of the flesh is at the heart of how we, uh, are, are to preserve and build and strengthen healthy marriages for your marriage.

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is not distinct from your heart condition before God. Don't compartmentalize. Oh, I've got a real good devotion life, got a good spiritual life, but my marriage is horrible. No, you're all that's going together. So how do you abstain from these passions? These desires that don't look like Christ. One, let me give you.

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All right, that one works. Gotta get it, all right. Okay, so one, you recognize sin for what it is. Sin is enmity against God that put Jesus on the cross and the manifestation of the spirit of the world is happening through transgressing God's law. So don't put a veneer on your sin. If you've got some.

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I'll just keep on talking. You all right? You don't mind? All right. Don't put a veneer on your sin. Be on guard against misusing Christian liberty. Reform Christians are big on we have liberty. Thank God we do. Don't misuse your liberty and get in bondage. Guard yourself at that point. And here's the simplest thing.

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If whatever you're doing, if it doesn't look like Jesus, it's sin. If it's not what Jesus would do, it's sin. If it's not had Jesus would think or act or speak, it's sin. Second, discipline yourself to die to sin. And this is where you're applying the cross. You're recognizing and confessing that Jesus did that work on the cross to set you free from everything that doesn't look like him. And you're applying that by faith.

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As you're praying, Lord, enable me, put to death this attitude that is just fouling me up. Please, deal with this. I died of this. And then third, where that attitude was fouling your thinking, or where that sharp tongue was wounding your spouse, you put in it just the opposite.

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You, instead of that foul attitude, you begin to think about and vocalize and visualize praising the Lord, giving thanks to the Lord, living and doing those things that are the opposite of it. Instead of those things coming out of our mouth that are wounding, you start thinking, how can I build up, how can I speak encouragement, how can I be

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honoring to the Lord. And so you're looking at the positive. If you wanna see more on that, just read Ephesians four and see the pattern. You know, you were using corrupt communication on one point, now you're speaking in a way that builds up. You once had bad attitudes, now you're forgiving and you're expressing.

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kindness and graciousness. So the third part of this, verses 11 and 12, this laying the foundation for the Christ life is live in the mission. And I'm gonna kinda slide over this for time's sake, but he says conduct yourselves honorably among the Gentiles so that when they slander you as evildoers, they will observe your good works and will glorify God in the day he visits. So in other words,

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We're abstaining on one hand from sinful patterns, but on the positive side, what are we doing that is displaying that we belong to Christ? How are we loving our spouse? How are we teaching and modeling the gospel to our children? How are we loving those who are unlovable? How are we serving those who are in need? How are we giving of our resources for kingdom work? How are we praying for those that need?

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our prayers, how are we speaking into other people's lives? All those things are helpful to us in understanding what it is to be on mission. And so what Peter's doing, he's showing us that this mission spreads into different areas. It spreads into the way we live our lives in the public sphere. That's what he starts talking about in verse 13. It shows up even with household slaves

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He talks about in verse 18 and following. And so in every area, we want to exemplify what it is that we're on mission living in Christ. Now, this will be the second part of this text. And that is an example of wives and husbands shaped by Christ. He talks about being shaped by Christ in the public sphere and even in slavery, and then

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In chapter three, he says, in the same way, so in other words, in the same way that you're applying the cross in the public sphere, in the same way you're applying the cross in this matter of being a slave and living under a master, sometimes a cruel master, in the same way you're applying the cross, you do that in marriage. In the same way, wives submit to your own husbands,

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Uh, uh, and then, uh, in verse seven, husbands in the same way, living your wives in an understanding way. And so what, what he's describing here is what does sanctification look like in the home? Well, it looks like what's happening in the other areas of your life. I I've been around some people that at church, they're wonderful. They're so gracious in the workplace.

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They're wonderful, they're so gracious, but not in the home. That's hypocrisy. The gospel is to penetrate every area of our lives. So let's consider first the wise attitude shaped by Christ. And so he says in verse one, chapter three, in the same way, wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands so that even if some disobey the word,

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They may be won over without a word by the way their wives live when they observe your pure reverent lives. Do not let your beauty consist of outward things like elaborate hairstyles and wearing gold jewelry or fine clothes. These were the bouffants that they would have, you know, big old things that had pearls in it and gold and all kinds of crazy things. Sort of like some of the health and wealth folks that we see.

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I'm just saying that's what it says. Um, but rather what is your beauty rather? What is inside the heart, the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For in the past, the holy women who put their hope in God also adorn themselves in this way, submitting to their own husbands, just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord, you have become her children when you do what is

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good and do not fear any intimidation. All right. The wife's attitude is shaped by Christ. So submission is to your own husband, not to men in general. There's no inferiority here and this submission is in this case, Peter's talking about some women that have or married to men that are unbelievers. And so her godly life becomes an evangelistic tool. Is that the ideal situation? No, it's not.

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But sometimes in the mercy of God, he graciously works in those husbands' repentance. So this submission is not an ugly word, it's an orderly word, it's giving way to the husband's leadership, it is putting trust in his wisdom and love to lead the family. And the wife is spurring him to be the leader as his helper. So she's spurring him by affirming him

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and encouraging him, asking his counsel, deferring to his leadership, avoiding making fun of him or haranguing him if he's not doing it the right way, praying for him, speaking gospel truth into his life. This is not a mousy, timid kind of relationship. This is very active. Christopher Ashe writes, instead, she ought to be using her wisdom

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to be his fellow worker in the garden, even as Eve was to do with Adam. And so submission is not reluctance, but it is a desire to help your husband with his blind spots, to encourage him in wise decisions. It's an attitude of the heart. Here's Richard Baxter, the Puritan pastor, he wrote a book called The Reform Pastor that

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Every pastor and their brother has read. Uh, but he wrote a lot of other stuff and this is what Baxter said about. A faithful submissive wife and what she looks like. It is a mercy to have a faithful friend that you love entirely. And is this true to you as yourself to whom you may open your mind and communicate your affairs and who would be ready to strengthen you and divine the cares of your.

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Affairs and family with you and help you to bear your burdens and comfort you in your sorrows and be the daily Companion of your lives and partaker of your joys and sorrows It is a mercy to have so near a friend to be a helper to your soul To join with you in prayer and other holy exercises to watch over you and tell you of your sins and dangers to stir up In you the grace of God

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and remember to you of the life to come and cheerfully accompany you in the ways of holiness. That's a Puritans description. Doesn't sound too harsh, does it? It sounds absolutely beautiful. I'm going just a little bit longer. Joshua and I put our heads together on this, but then we're gonna stop, take a good break. The wife's appearance is to bear evidence of Christ.

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Her devotedness in this, I'm just gonna simplify this and press on because I wanna get to the end of chapter two. The wife's devotedness to Jesus is gonna be evident above all things with her pure and reverent life. Her hope is in Christ, meaning that she has this intense joy in the Lord.

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her focus, her hope is in Christ, not in her husband, but in Christ. Submission doesn't mean your hope is in your husband. Submission to your husband means my hope is in Christ and because of that I can therefore submit to my husband. There was a lady in one church, I served in Alabama, who was a wonderful Christian, and she was probably in her 50s when we were there. We were in our

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late 20s, early 30s, and every Wednesday night, we got together and had prayer, and she would say, pray for Vernon. We prayed for Vernon, week after week after week. We moved on, I got to know Vernon a little bit. I think he came to church twice while I was there, and then I get a call from Gladys. Vernon got saved. She'd been living the Christ life in front of Vernon.

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for years and years and years. And the Lord graciously saved him after all that. Well, the Lord sometimes does that. This isn't a guarantee, it's gonna happen every time, but this is the pattern that God calls for. All right, husbands, I'm getting third, husbands focus on, or to focus on their wives in the same way he says husbands live with your wives in the same way, in an understanding way as with a weaker partner.

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showing them on earth as co-heirs of the grace of life so that your prayers will not be hindered. So what does this convey? It conveys living with your wife in an understanding way, it's personal knowledge, experiential knowledge, attentiveness to the wife. Christopher Ash said, we who are husbands need to learn to understand our wives, the physical and psychological rhythm of their bodies, what they go through in childbirth, in breastfeeding.

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In all stages of motherhood, when the children fly the nest through menopause and an old age, we are to live with them according to understanding, recognizing that in some respects and only some, they are weaker than us. They are not weaker in intellect far from it, nor in wisdom. After all the woman in verses one to six is a believer married to an unbeliever. So Peter would clearly regard her as wiser than her husband.

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knowing bravery in the, in the face of pain, particularly in childbirth. Therefore, in this respect, we who are husbands are to care for them and not expect them simply to be rec replicates of ourselves. Thank God. We learn how to live with our wives in an understanding way by spending time with them, observing them, uh, interacting, listening.

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knowing their feelings and their thoughts while enjoying your wife. And the reason Peter calls attention to this is because that is not normal to the male psyche. We, and I, I remember that I had one brother, so I didn't have any sisters around when Kier and I got married. I was learning and I've been around girls all my life, but I was learning really about living.

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with her in an understanding way, which meant she is not a guy. And I can't treat her like one of the guys. And I have to treat her as, uh, as something more delicate, a weaker partner here doesn't mean faulty, but it means valuable and precious. Uh, there's a difference between the old coffee can that I throw nuts and bolts in, in my shop and a vase.

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that we put cut flowers in. That's what he's talking about. She's like that vase. Uh, the wife is the husband's equal, a co-heir of the grace of life, a fellow heir, the grace of life. So the husband has no spiritual advantage over his wife. As a matter of fact, he has a disadvantage if he's not in fellowship with her. Because Peter warned your prayers will be hindered. If you're not living with your wife in an understanding way.

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and treat her with preciousness because that is valuable to God. That is what God himself treasures in the marriage relationship. And so to mishandle the wife is to affect your spiritual life. Now, that was too quick. Third thing, do I have time Joshua? Okay, y'all hanging in there? All right, the provision of Jesus to live the Christ life.

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Hey, can you give me a little bit more sin? I feel like I'm straining. Am I straining or y'all hear me okay? If y'all hear me okay, all right, that's fine. That's fine. It would be heartless to tell us to live in this way without provision from Christ. That's the point that we need to see. So unless Jesus provides what we need to mirror his life, then we face an impossibility.

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that Jesus has provided. That's what Peter is helping us to see in this beautiful picture of sanctification. And so the first thing, the first provision is Christ's call on us. We see this in verse 21. For you were called to this, that is this kind of life, this Christ's life, this kind of life that mirrors Jesus. For you were called to this because Christ also suffered for you

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leaving you an example so that you should follow in his steps. And so you have this internal call of Christ by the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit, and you've got this external call through the proclamation of the gospel so that you, by the provision of Christ in the call of the gospel, are learning how to live life facing opposition and hardship and sorrows and persecution.

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and everything that would get in the way. And this is where you are beginning to see the faithfulness of Christ at work in the gospel. Peter says that Jesus himself, in verse 22, did not commit sin and no deceit was found in his mouth. And now he's calling us to be shaped by his life, to

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Uh, not that we're reaching perfection and not that we're going to be sinless, but rather he's, it is so working in us so that we will learn to have his life traced into our lives. That's what he means by this word example. So when, when I was, uh, in the earliest, I'm barely remember anything from first grade, first and second grade, but I remember we had these green cards above.

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the chalkboard, we actually had chalk in those days, on the black boards. And we had these green cards, it had beautiful lettering in script, and we were to learn how to write by copying those. And now we have notebooks and our kids copy the letters and all that, and they're learning how to write. Well, he uses this kind of language to say that we are...

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By Christ being an example for us means that he is tracing his life into our lives. That we are learning from him what it is to live the Christ life. This is that ongoing practice of following the Lord so that he is training our minds to act and obey and speak in the same way as he would. To trace our lives.

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in Jesus' holy and good life means that we're paying attention to what the Scripture teaches us about Christ and by that we're starting to let those areas work in their lives. So, as we read the word and as we pray, we're praying, Lord, I want to be like you. So what is that like? Verse 23, when he was insulted, he did not insult in return. When he suffered, he did not threaten.

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but entrusted himself to the one who judges justly. Jesus was so conscious of the Father's faithfulness that when there were injustices against him, he just kept entrusting himself to the Father. In every area of his life, he gave himself over to the Father. We would find him withdrawing in prayer. We would find him being diligent in trusting the Father, even

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when he was challenged, even when he was hurt, even when he was wounded, even when there was injustice. And now he is writing that into our lives. That's what's happening in sanctification. Second thing is Christ worked for us. So how does his work into our lives? It's by the cross work. Verse 24, he himself bore our sins in his body on the tree.

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so that having died to sins, we might live for righteousness, for by his wounds we have been healed. Notice the description, that whole purpose clause here. He bore our sins, and consequently, he affected the sin factory in our life, so that...

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we might live for righteousness. So he took away the judgment, he satisfied eternal justice, he removed the enmity between us and God so that we are reconciled to God and now we are friends of Christ. We belong to him and our friend never leaves us. He is always present. He is the one.

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who created us according to God's likeness in righteousness and purity of the truth, as Paul says in Ephesians four. That's why we can put away anger and not sin and not give the devil room. That's why we can put aside lying and speak truth. That's why we can put aside stealing and learn how to work hard and be generous.

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That's why we can let all bitterness and anger and wrath and shouting and slander be removed from us along with all malice and be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving one another as God in Christ has forgiven us. Jesus' death leads us to die to sin. That's the implication in chapter two, verse 11. That's why we're remembering our homeland, we're remembering our nationality, we're remembering what

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what it is to belong to Christ and to address our sinful desires. And Jesus enables us to live to righteousness. That's the power that we have through the cross. We sing about the power of the cross. That power is not just to forgive us and deal with our guilt. That power is to enable us to live in holiness, including our marriage. And so.

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This application of Christ's work kills sinful patterns that would wreck our homes so that we need the power of the cross every day. We need resurrection power every day so that we live selflessly. And then to close this passage out, we have Christ shepherding over us. Notice he says, for you were like sheep going astray, but you have now returned to the shepherd and overseer of your soul.

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Jesus took the sin burden of straying sheep. He brought us in glad repentance to live under his faithful shepherding and oversight, and that includes his shepherding us in marriage, because he is the faithful husband. He is the one who knows how to treat his wife. And so he is the one who knows how to submit. And so he is

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working in us, saving us from sin's penalty, and bringing under his Lordship, and now shepherding us so that we no longer live for ourselves or love for ourselves, but we live in love for him. So if we live, we live for the Lord. If we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. That's the cross-evidence life. So brothers and sisters, drink deeply.

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every day for what Christ has done. And let that cross work affect every detail in marriage. Amen. Let's pray. Lord, will you please help us to apply these things in our marriages for your glory. In Jesus' name, amen.

Session 2 - Q&A

And so really excited to get to have a time where we get to hear from you guys through Q&A. And so a number of members have submitted questions. In light of the questions, you know, trying to be a good Baptist, alliterations, put the categories in the Cs, you know, in regards to connection, we have some questions concerning conflict.

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Cohesion, being united, I know that may be a little stretched, but hey, stretch that thing. That's what happens when you elude, right? Cohesion, being on the same page, giving some counsel about particular matters, and then also rhythms regarding consistency. And so, try to get this thing going, going to start us off, and I'll be bouncing around as well. And so starting us off.

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Northern a number of our members, most of the members who are married and have children, most of them are in the younger years, and so have a bunch of young families. And so you guys are empty nesters, so we're asking you to think all the way back, not all the way back, but think back a few decades. When your kids were still in the home, how did the Newtons strive to show your children that your marriage was a priority?

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Like what regular rhythms daily, weekly did you guys implement to prioritize your one another in your marriage? Well you want to go first? I've been talking a lot. Okay. All right. Well we were affectionate with each other around the kids and so kissing, holding hands.

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I might pinch her on the rear or something. I'm just being honest. We didn't try to hide our affection from them. I think that was one thing. And we'd laugh together a lot. And we would playfully pick at each other. Playfully, not, I mean playfully, easily. So.

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What do you want to add to that? After that?

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Yeah, our kids, I think they always knew that we were. Yeah.

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we put each other as a priority. I'm trying to think exactly how we did that. A lot of it was just a natural flow of life for us. Yeah. As far as in front of the kids, well, you called me every day from work at 11 o'clock. I knew that. If you didn't call me, I knew you had an engagement with somebody or something had happened. And they knew about that. They knew about the 11 o'clock.

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You checked on me, you know, to see how my day was going. And that got to be very, that was very important that I still notice this the first thing I mentioned that you did that because it showed me that he was thinking about my day, you know, home with the kids and so forth. So. You know, I think about something I used to do with the kids. I did it more when they got a little bit older, especially when they got a little snarky, you know, that you get that.

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get a little closer to teenage years and in stage years, I get snarky and I'd sit them down and say, now you gotta understand something. You are a temporary resident in this home. That's true, you did that. And we are very happy to have you here. We love having you here and would be sad when you go, but you are temporary and your mom and I.

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are gonna be spending the rest of our lives together and we're gonna enjoy every moment of it. And so I'm gonna do stuff like that with them so that they would know that. On that note, not that note in particular, one of the things you spoke with Stephanie a couple of times in our home when we had you over is that when the kids left, the marriage was good because you guys made sure y'all had a...

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marriage centered home as opposed to a kids centered home. Can you give some practical examples for us and what did you guys do to make sure, obviously the affection that you've communicated, the phone calls, anything else in particular to labor towards having a marriage centered home even while you have children in the home. Hmm.

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It's been a while, I'm thinking. I think a lot of our decisions weren't always based upon the kids. I mean, I'm not sure if I'm saying that right. That doesn't sound unloving to them. Okay, okay, okay. It was like they were extremely important.

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to us, but obviously. And we have a good relationship. We have a great relationship with our adult children. But everything wasn't just always focused around them. We focused around ourselves, the two of us sometimes. And they knew that. And of course, you can do that to a fault. And I don't think we did that. But we didn't mind doing that instead of just being totally a child-centered home, you know, and I can't do this or that. Because you know.

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Can you add to that a little bit? Yeah, we also would, we would try to do a trail and get away. So we'd go out and go to a bed and breakfast and eat at a nice restaurant and stuff like that and kids like, say, she's the focus. And so, you know, that was visually communicating that to them. And I.

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I think the way we talk with each other and the way we were never demeaning about each other with the kids. Trying to pit one kid, I've got to get this kid on my side for whatever reason. That's silly to do stuff like that. A lot of times it happens in marriages.

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We tried to speak always respectfully. And if the kids did any sassing of their mom, that was a really big mistake with me. I'm going to take up for her. I'm going to deal with that. And I think some of that was reinforcing our relationship has priority over whatever you want to do.

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And so, yeah, I think you're right. We made decisions. We wanted to do what was best for everyone, but sometimes what was best for everyone was what was best for us. It sounds selfish, doesn't it? Yeah, that may sound selfish, but the older you get, you go, I see. There's some ways of doing it. Well, it doesn't sound as selfish as it may come off, especially a lot of your point in what you said, like one of your points was prioritizing your marriage. I'm blanking on how exactly you worded it

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point intro but oh you said one of the in parenting one of the best things that you can give your kids is a healthy marriage yeah and so seeing having that principle that perspective which is certainly true I don't think that's selfish yeah at all again it's exemplary for them to see that yeah mom and dad prioritize their covenant relationship with each other

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Go ahead. Well, I was just, we didn't talk, I didn't speak ill of you with the children or anything. There wasn't this private thing going on with our children. I can tell you. So, you know, private talking going on with the children about our relationship or anything like that, unless it was some, I mean, unless it was something positive that we, you know, wanted to talk about. But. Yeah. And I think.

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The way we talk to each other, that we were both very, very respectful with each other, that communicates to kids that, oh, this is something important. And the way we could smile at each other and laugh at each other and...

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and speak kindly or express gratitude to each other and the kids are hearing that. And so, you know, that a lot of this, I don't think he can do, do a checklist and say, okay, have we done this, this and this today? You just get into that flow where you are crazy about each other and you, you're grateful for each other.

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and you want to express that visually. And the kids pick up on that. That's why Steven Youngison made that comment about our marriage. And they've still done that. After they've been married, they just had their...

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anniversary in May I think and and and Stephen and Anna Grace his wife said well y'all been taking example for us and you know for them to say that was super encouraging because it wasn't as though we were

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We had our schedule, okay, on Thursdays, we gotta be sure and set an example for the kids. It was nothing like that, just a normal flow of life. It's been a gift. I mean, it's grace. I mean, so a gift, I'm sitting here thinking, was it intentional? It was, but it's also a gift. Yeah, praise the Lord. Yeah. So. Absolutely. Yeah.

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Karen, we have a question for you, seeing that Phil talked extensively about his final point being about submission. And brother, thank you for, man, just giving a clarifying definition of it and an example taking us to Philippians two, with Jesus' submission. And so Karen, what has helped you to cultivate a submissive heart towards Phil? Well.

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obviously the scriptures and frankly he's been very nice and kind to me over the years it is not hard to submit to a man that you know is looking out for your best interests it has not been difficult

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And, you know, so I'm coming from a perspective of being married to someone who's just, he's just a gracious man and always has been, you know, in our whole marriage. So it's just. She's exaggerating. I'm actually not, but that's okay. You know, so it's another gift. So.

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In light of that, how would you encourage sisters and our wives in particular to cultivate a submissive heart towards their husbands in the congregation? What's this in the congregation? Wives in the congregation? So you said the scriptures. The scriptures, your walk with the Lord and realizing that a lot of times it is pride that we're battling so much of our lives it seems like.

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I think if we can really realize, and especially think about Christ and what he did and how he humbled himself. The more you know of Christ and what he's done for you and your own sin and how you've been forgiven and it all becomes real to you. It's just a little bit more difficult to be ornery with somebody else as much as you might want to sometimes.

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It's good to feel we have a question coming your way. And so, brother, what are some practical ways you sought to live with Karen in an understanding way in light of 1 Peter chapter three? And how did you, do you, how did you slash, do you strive to prioritize your marriage in the midst of busy work seasons? Yeah, I think a big part of that is communicating. So,

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I try to pay attention to her. I know her idiosyncrasies. I know her ticks. I know what she's going to be doing, what she's not going to be doing, or what she's interested in. And so the big thing, you pay attention. You don't presume.

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you listen to how she talks. I mean, I read her face, I can tell if she wakes up in the morning, she had a good night's sleep or not. I can look at her face and tell. I can listen to the tone of her voice, is she struggling with something? Because I'm paying attention. And so I think the big thing, don't.

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Don't complicate that. Pay attention, observe, and then act on it in living your life in an understanding way. And then sometimes, you know, it's asking questions. So there have been plenty of times I've asked about different things going on and maybe something that's more...

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more that a sister would understand better than a husband. So I say, okay, explain to me how you're struggling in this area. Help me because my mind doesn't operate like that. And so being able to get in her mind a little bit, and then racing a couple of daughters helped out. And she helped me to be able to pay attention to those two.

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lovely ladies that we had the privilege of bringing up. And then the second half was. The second half is, how did you slash do you strive to prioritize your marriage in the midst of busy work seasons? Yeah. One of the things that I try to do some now since my studies at home, you know, I can.

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holler down, hey Karen, and occasionally I'll send her a text, but you know usually I'll holler at her, but I'll try to come downstairs.

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in the mornings or a couple of times, just check on her, see how she's doing. I like that. It's little things like that. I don't think we have to do, I remember somebody one time was trying to get in good with his wife and he's giving her all these expensive things and I'm thinking, your wife didn't give a rip about all those expensive things. She just wants you to pay attention to her.

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And so sitting down, paying attention, coming downstairs when I'm scheduled to come downstairs instead of being off, staying at it. And I can keep, I love my work so I can keep doing it. I try to like.

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I travel international a fair bit, and AT&T has this plan for $10 a day, maybe $12 now. You can do unlimited, and other carriers probably do too, but I'll call her every day somewhere internationally, and I'm thinking that is the best $10 or $12 investment that I can make. And I'll text her and let her know what's going on.

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and all that. Yeah. I don't know. You've gotten really, over the years, you've gotten better and better. Of course, you couldn't call when we were younger. Yeah, when we were younger, we couldn't do that. I wouldn't see you for two days or whatever, so I think, but yeah. That's a big deal, you know, that you call, cause I know you're with a whole bunch of, all your friends and your guys, your preacher boys, preacher friends and everything. And I'm like, but you take the time to call me. And that's big. Doesn't have to be a long phone call.

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really good. Praise God. And so knowing that in the marriage of two centers become one and with two centers seeing that there will definitely be conflict and so thinking through conflict how do you find the balance between speaking up when something is bothering you versus overlooking an offense? Yeah. I think some offenses you overlook because the problem

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is not necessarily the spouse, the problem is me having an itchy spirit about it. And I think that's where I mentioned self-importance earlier.

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I think sometimes if I'm finding too much self-importance, then I'll let something bother me and offend me that maybe it's not that big a deal. I mean, you know, we all will say some things we shouldn't say and we'll have a cranky moment and all that. If we do that, we don't, I mean a lot of times it's just, okay.

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You know, I can overlook that. Now, if it's a continued crankiness, that's another story you've got to investigate. Okay, why is this going on? You know, maybe instead of Karen offending me, maybe I've offended her and it's created a backlash on that. And so we need to get that out.

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The thing about it, and I'm sure those of you who've been married for a few years, you read each other well. We really read each other like books. We can finish each other's sentences. We know each other's thoughts in a kind of an odd way because we spent so much time with each other and we pay attention to the warp and move of life with each other. You see anything you wanna add on that? What was that again?

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Overlooking. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think that I probably in my younger, our younger married life.

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noticed things a little more, paid attention to it, probably. Took offense. No, I'm talking the other way. I probably looked at some things you did and like what in the world are you doing and probably spoke up about it, you know. More. Now I kinda can laugh about it because there's things I see now that I know that doesn't mean anything to me anymore, you know, that that's a problem. It's not enough for me to.

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you know, speak up, make up, like, why doesn't he do it this way? You know, that type thing. And I would have spoken up about all that. That would have been so important to me and my younger because I thought I knew how to do everything, you know. So, so. Yeah. I think when you're younger, it's easier to get irritated. By smaller things. With smaller things. Smaller things. I think so. And, you know, have big blowouts. Yeah. And then, you know, then you finally gotta make up. But, but we always made up.

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That part was always good. Yeah, it was good. Yeah. And so I know you're doing a talk about the home tomorrow. Yeah. Definitely have a couple of questions concerning the home. OK. And we're so like children, and so thinking through cohesion, and even just counsel.

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And so how should and shouldn't young couples think about delaying to have children? Does it become sin at some point? Yeah. Yeah, that is probably a pretty hard thing to say for anyone else. I'm going to say if you're.

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Consider your motives if it's we need to mature a little bit more. It's pretty legitimate motive and and maybe maybe you need to mature a bit more, but You're never going to be quite mature enough when you have kids or

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We really need more money. We can't afford to have children. And I still remember my dad was an ultimate pragmatist. You know, he went through World War II and all that, Great Depression, World War II. So when Karen was pregnant with our first child, Kelly, um,

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He, you know, I called and told them, he said, well, can you afford it? And I was so stinking mad when he said that. I said, yes, sir, we can. And I worked my rear off. I mean, I worked my rear off just getting ready and being able to take care of things. And the thing about it, you can have this estimation. We gotta have X amount of dollars around. It's not gonna be enough. I'm telling you.

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So what do you do? You trust the Lord, and you press on, and you enjoy the kids. So I would say don't let your mind put you on a guilt trip about when you're going to have kids, or how many kids you've got to have. That's no one else's business but yours. But

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If you're struggling in some areas, seek some counsel from some older married couples that can speak in your life on it. You want to check your motives out. Are you not having kids because you've got all this stuff you want to do and kids would be a bother? Well, I would rethink that because you're not looking at the enormous joy.

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And boy, I've seen it so many times, as a pastor going to the hospital, and I see those first time moms and dads, and they're just beaming. And the lady's just gone through the very pits delivering that kid, and she's beaming. And the husband has been up for 36 hours, and he's beaming. I'm going.

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There's nothing like that. Money doesn't mean anything. Going places doesn't mean anything. Doing stuff doesn't mean anything. That means a lot. You can speak to that a lot better than me. We had our first. When you were in seminary, I was working at the time, and I'd planned on putting her.

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in the seminary daycare. And she would not sleep at all. It was not an essential option. I had to be up at like 4.30 or something to go to my... I was a dietician at a hospital in New Orleans when he was a student at the seminary and also worked part-time at night at a trucking line.

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And Kelly would not sleep. And it turned out to be the best thing, though, because I had not been asleep. It was like 3 o'clock in the morning when I was supposed to report back to work. She was six weeks or whatever. And I was like, I just fell apart. I said, I cannot go to work in the morning.

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I hadn't been asleep all night with her. And so Phil went in that morning and resigned for me. And it was the best thing. I got to stay home with her. Yeah, we lived on beans and we didn't have anything, but we didn't care. We had enough to get by with. And we just didn't care. It was a step of faith because I ended up literally, the weekend resign for her,

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truck line and I was getting paid twice as much and a church invited me to come and preach and three or four weeks later they called me as pastor. Now it's getting paid $115 a week. So, you know, but when I was full time they paid me $120 a week. Praise God. It is true. So, but the Lord provided, so you learn to do without to have something better.

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Those were wonderful days though. Having babies, having children, raising children. Wonderful days, so highly recommend it if the Lord allows that to be so in your life. It was probably not until our fourth kid that we could afford him. Afford any kid. So on our fourth one. First three are still living. Yeah, on our fourth one, we could afford her. Fourth and fifth ones. He's still living the truth pretty much. Yeah.

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And so Phil, one of the things you talked about in your intro is to avoid it against coasting in your marriage. And so speak to that. So practically speaking, how did the Newtons guard against coasting in your marriage?

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I think we were intentional and we're still intentional. I mean, we're still. What did that look like? So what was some of that intentionality look like? Enjoying each other, being romantic with each other. I bring her into my life, she brings me into her life. And so if I'm...

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stuff I'm reading, whether it's theology or it's World War II, two areas of interest or where there's a history book. I bring her in and I'll talk about stuff. She's reading something, a book or an article, she said you've got to read this. And so we interact on stuff like that. So.

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We really share our lives together. That's where we would know something was wrong if we were not sharing our lives together. But we've been doing that for years. And so it's a natural rhythm, and everybody would probably have their own little rhythms, your own little things that you do that help you.

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really feel that cohesion in marriage where you're pushing forward. For us, it's, I mean, we have our devotion time in the evening and... Devotion time together in the evening? Yeah, yeah. We have our separate private devotions. That's very, very critical. And Karen's been great about...

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me because I'll take a pretty long time on it generally and and she's been great about just turning me loose on that but then then we'll do we'll do our own so right now we're reading through a devotion from Richard Sibbs who's to Puritan and we're doing Puritan prayers the Valley of Vision

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Probably in January we're gonna use the new devotion that Paul Tripp has done called Everyday Gospel. Everyday Gospel 365 Days. Don't tell my kids. We've got that book for them for Christmas. So, all right. Oh wow, that's an amazing Christmas gift. He's ahead of it. Yeah, I'm ahead, it came in today. I'm gonna blast it. So, yeah, you're gonna blast it. I'm telling you. Don't tell all your kids. Yeah, you can add to that on how we're.

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Preson on not coasting. Well, you know, I'm thinking about it. Most of this is done that we, that's important in my eyes is free. It's not, it doesn't take money really. It's really communication, being thoughtful, being considerate, kind. I mean, you know, I remember in, been in pretty good while ago, but I was in Bible study and older late, older than me, she,

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in the Bible study, we were talking about marriage, and she made this statement, or she asked a question actually. She said, do you treat your husband as well as you treat your friends? And I was pretty young. And that really, I'm telling you about it because I've never forgotten about it. Because I thought, you know, sometimes I don't. I think I might say things or do things that I wouldn't.

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do that with a friend. And so that's stayed with me all these years. And it's just those basic things of being kind, thoughtful, helpful.

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the things we've talked about. Instead of overlooking those and thinking it's got to be something big and fancy or, you know, something. It's not. It's those small things and you do it day in, day out and it develops and, you know, your relationship is just.

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built on those things. Yeah, you're acting like a Christian at home. And that'd be the simple way of putting it. And that doesn't get old. But you're a romantic Christian. So it's not just act like a Christian, you're doing the one another's with each other. But you're romantic with each other. And that doesn't get old. You can't do too much of those things. And they're pretty much free. Can't do too much of being a romantic Christian to your spouse.

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Yeah, that's right. I'll take that home. And so seeing that a lot of us.

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are a lot of families, a lot of marriages are young. You know, you asked how many people have been married for over 10 years and only the Sarvars raised their hands. You know, and then, yeah. And in God's providence, some of us, by God's grace, had really good examples of husbands leading their wives spiritually, husbands leading their, I mean, fathers leading their families spiritually. And so in God's providence, some of us had good examples of that. Others of us have entered into marriage

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not having an example at all of what that can look like. And so, will you guys give us some, you know, a simple way that a husband and wife can raise the spiritual temperature in their home where they are talking about or doing some things that will encourage one another in Christ deliberately.

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And have effect on the children. And have an effect on the children, absolutely. Obviously we would love for these things to be happening in the marriage before children come. Seeing that pattern, that rhythm, that workout will continue while, you know, say when you have children. At the same time that may not be the case and maybe some who have children who aren't doing these things and so can you give us some wisdom on how to raise the spiritual temperature in our home where we're talking about the things that the Lord

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Well, what do you talk about around the table? What kind of conversations? What do you talk about? Are you always focused on having to entertain your children? Or do you have times to sit down and talk and try to interact? Or you talk to your kids about things that are happening.

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My friend Billy Dalton, who's pastor at First Baptist, Cedar Key, they got hit by the hurricane last night. If I were in his shoes, and I'm sure Billy's has already been doing this, I would talk to my kids about the providence of God. I would sit them down and say, okay, you look around and Pastor Tom's house has been destroyed and this member's house is destroyed and the whole town is.

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totally destroyed and we won't be able to go even go down there for a long time because of everything But God is faithful I mean you have something like that or you go you go through in illness or Or there was a death in the family. I think a death in the family Take your kids to funerals Take your kids to walk up and see a body in the casket

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Do not hide that from them. Read Matt McCullough's book, Remember Death, because he wrote it for guys your age, especially, because we've sanitized death out of our lives instead of saying, this is a great way to teach. I remember having lots of good conversations with my kids when Karen's mom died, and then my dad and her dad died, and then relatives died and all that.

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use those opportunities because that's, you can raise the temperature because your kids can be saying, how are mom and dad dealing with this?

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in the way they're dealing with this. And you're able to testify. Just, we would have people in the home, you know, being a pastor, we had God speaking. So, you know, I had Joel Beeke in the home, and Zane Pratt, and you know, different ones that were, that were there, my kids got to know them, and we had conversations around the table, and the kids are around the table. So they're sitting there, and they're listening to this theological talk, or missiological conversation, or pastoral conversation.

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those kind of things have impact. Anything else you want to add to that Karen? We've got about three minutes. Anything you're going to add? Well, Phil has always been very consistent about his devotional time in the morning. I mean like...

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sometimes annoyingly so. No, I don't mean that totally, but when I was younger, I meant it a little bit here and there. But, you know, and I think that raised the temperature. Seeing him consistently, that was important. It certainly affected me, and I think, you know, our kids saw it, and there was just, they knew what was going on, and that that was important. And I think that was a very...

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a huge thing for me to see that and our children to see.

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Praise God. Did that say something? Well, it's kind of fun if I'm up early, having an devotion time, and one of the kids gets up early, and they come in, what are you doing, Dad? I'm saying, I'm having my devotion time. Come up here and sit with me, and I'm holding him and reading the word. Come on. And, you know, that sticks in their little minds. Yeah.

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It's like a tangible way of reflecting Jesus as he talked about, let the children come to me. Like you letting your child be with you as you're reading the word. Yeah. Man, praise God. Thank you guys so much. Let's give it up for Phyllis and Karen Newton.

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Literally had a number of other questions could have asked and so obviously couldn't get to them all. Again, if you submitted a question and your question didn't get asked, feel free to approach to Newton's. There are some questions concerning parenting. And we're gonna do a Q&A tomorrow. And we are doing a Q&A. Well, there are some questions concerning parenting. Okay. Battery died. There are some questions concerning parenting that I didn't ask, but it's okay, I'm gonna project. Yeah, I'm gonna hear it. Yeah, I definitely planned to ask during that time.

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It'll be more.

Session 1 - Ephesians 5:15-32

Well, I'm glad we've got old married folks, not quite as old married folks, young married folks and single folks so we can just talk about marriage together and hopefully the Lord will enable us to learn some things together. We're going to look in Ephesians five in a few minutes, but first what I wanna do is take you

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a bit of an excursus on some things that.

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That Karen I've been learning in marriage and I and I'll say thanks. I've been learning in marriage I think Karen would agree with me on these But they're they're written from my perspective rather than than hers When we had our 39th anniversary in 2014, so we are the old married folks I Sat down in my I was having my quiet time and I thought you know, this is a significant day December 28 2014 I'm just gonna start writing

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Lord been teaching me about marriage and so I just started writing and writing. In my 48th year which was this past December I came back and tweaked a few things a little bit. So let me just talk about some things in general and then I want to look at the roots of a Christ-centered marriage out of Ephesians

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the kind of marriage that we're talking about. When we pledged our lives together 48 years ago, we began a journey that's unique to husbands and wives. We did not know what was ahead of us. We did not know the things that we had faced. We didn't know the issues that would arise in our lives, in the circumstances of our lives. But...

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We realize, and after all this reflection, I realized two very important things, that both of us are sinners, and both of us need the grace of God.

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And you're gonna keep that right at the heart of marriage. You've gotta recognize your own propensity for sin in being complacent or even causing problems in the marriage, but you also recognize the wonderful mercy and grace of God that is provided. So out of that, here are some things that I've been learning in this humbling and glorious experience of marriage. And there are 16.

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of them. First is the marriage picture, the marriage picture and that is the Lord intends marriage to be a picture of the gospel in its beauty. We're not to be like our marriage photo album that has faded. We haven't looked at in a long time because all the pictures faded in it. That's not what it's supposed to look like. Rather as the years grow our commitment to each other grows and the

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grows. To me, one of the worst things in the world is to see an older married couple that are not enjoying each other. They're just kind of cranky and complaining all the time. That's not the way marriage is to be. That's not relationship to Christ and the church. I mean, if you read Ephesians 5, right at the end, Paul gives this description starting in verse 22 through the end of

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but then he says, but I'm speaking with reference to Christ in the church. So in other words, if you're going to understand about marriage, you've got to understand about Christ in the church. And the more we get that into our marital DNA, the more it helps us restrain our tongues and battle our self-centeredness that's endemic to our nature. So in other words,

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We, if you have kids, your kids, our church, our extended family, our friends, need to see a reflection of Jesus and his bride in our marriage. That needs to be a daily goal. Second, weaknesses and deficiencies get exposed. Weaknesses and deficiencies get exposed. So all of my weaknesses and deficiencies are exposed in that relationship, that covenantal relationship that I have with Karen.

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efficiencies are exposed to me because marriage is the most sanctifying human relationship because

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is where we can't cover up our fault lines. We can try for a while, but sooner or later those fault lines are gonna come out. I remember doing pre-marriage counseling with a couple who's wedding I did years ago, and I told them, I said, marriage is a laboratory for sanctification, and they were members of another church at that time, and so I saw the couple later, and that guy said, boy, you were right. Because he was seeing that in his own life.

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get exposed and that's good since we've made a covenant with each other for better or for worse little knowing that all of us have some measure of the for worse in us

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It's there with our sin, with our weak frame. So, marriage not only exposes the weaknesses, but it provides the framework to help us in Christ as we learn to build up one another in the Lord. Third is grace for inadequacies, grace for inadequacies. And so in this, I've been learning that my need for grace in marriage is not because my wife is deficient.

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It is because I am inadequate to love her as Christ loves the church.

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And so this grace in Christ reminds me that I'm not to lean upon my abilities to love my wife, but upon that supernatural enablement of grace. Now, we all, I mean, you could take somebody just totally pagan, they're married, they love each other, they care about each other. Thank God, this is part of the image of God being reflected in them. But there are gonna be points in their lives where their inadequacies come up

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which to lean.

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That's why we learn that marriage is really, the way it needs to be, a supernatural relationship. It means we are learning to love on a deeper level. And so we have to fight, not with each other, but we have to fight against pointing our fingers at each other in marriage. Your spouse has her deficiencies, his deficiencies,

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but they pale in comparison to your own. And that's the way you have to approach it. You need to realize you have to be diligent to see your own heart in the mirror of God's word.

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And so concentrate on your deficiencies before the Lord rather than your spouse's deficiencies. That's why we daily examine ourselves in the word. That's why we need to walk with the Lord. I'll talk more about that in a little bit. That's why we need to work with the Holy Spirit to be humbled in seeing how inadequate we are and yet how God gives grace. Probably...

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The biggest hallmark of fractures in marriage is right at this point of blaming our spouse for why we don't have better harmony in marriage and why things aren't going better. And we tend to want to point the finger at our spouse's inadequacies. What I'm saying in this is own your own weaknesses.

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Take care of your weaknesses and a lot of times your spouse's weaknesses aren't quite as weak in your eyes. A fourth thing, turn off the autopilot. Turn off the autopilot. So by that I mean developing relationships, not something you're going to do automatically in marriage. It takes time and effort and openness and humility and kindness and communication and forgiveness. Nothing happens on autopilot.

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I think sometimes couples believe, if I said I do and the preacher pronounces, husband, wife, everything's fine, we're just gonna rock along. But no, you have to be intentional. You've gotta be deliberate in seeing the mind of Christ formed in both of you by the grace of God. And this is where, and I really wanna exhort you in this. Be patient with your spouse.

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but be patient with yourself. It's so important that we're patient with ourselves as well as being patient with our spouses because you have areas that you regularly need the application of the gospel. Karen and I were talking on the way down, or maybe it was earlier this afternoon about how when we were younger in marriage, we probably were at each other a little bit more and said stuff.

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in harsher ways that we would tend to do now. And I think part of that was just learning this rhythm of marriage, learning the challenges of marriage. So those of you who are single, the Lord opens opportunity to be married, those are things that you'll be learning along the way. And so you get into the relationship with patience. You have areas where Jesus' character is sometimes hidden, so you gotta be patient until those things begin to show up.

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And this is where you ask the Holy Spirit to expose sin, to strengthen your disciplines, and to give grace to walk in humble obedience. Fifth, joys multiply in covenant relationship.

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joys multiply in covenant relationship. The joys that I experience are far multiplied because of the covenant that Karen and I have with each other. And so marriage is a covenant relationship. You're joining your lives together. You're pledging yourselves to each other for mutual happiness. I mean, consider the marriage vows, typical marriage vows. I do promise in covenant before God and these witnesses

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and faithful husband, faithful wife, from this day forward, for better, for worse. I mean, that's just the normal, isn't it? For richer, for poorer. Oh, we're always going to be richer. Doesn't always happen. For in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish till death do us part. Well, whoever wrote those originally, they were really smart.

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Because that's the description of life. You know, you never think things are gonna go bad. You never think you're gonna get sick. You never think you're gonna have issues where things kind of fall apart and you struggle. You never think any of those things are gonna happen. But the reality is those things can happen. And so what you do, you aim for joy together.

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If you're going to aim for joy, you've got to battle the joy robbers in your soul. One reason...

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that some couples fail to experience joy in marriage is due to not aiming for joy. Aim for joy. Get it in your focus. Let that be your target. And that joy should be the normal overflow of covenanting together in marriage. But there are joy robbers that will stifle that. And this is why this battle for joy is spiritual warfare.

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this going on. So let me just rattle off a list. You can jot down a few of them maybe. Selfishness, self-centeredness, self-importance, pride, arrogance, ingratitude, laziness, presumption, that is when you take for granted your spouse, an unforgiving spirit, bitterness, holding a grudge, anger, outburst of anger.

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having unrealistic expectations of your spouse, all those kind of things, and you could add to the list.

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Beware of joy robbers. Six, prioritize service, prioritize service. That the Christian life of service is the best developed in the covenant of marriage. And sometimes I'll have people say, give me one thing that I really need to know about marriage and I'll tell them learn to serve each other. I think that that's right at the top. And you may be good at serving in all kinds of settings. So you serve stuff with your, with kids,

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your kids or other people's kids or in school or in church, but do you serve each other?

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The most important area of service apart from our walk with the Lord and our servant the Lord is learning to serve each other in marriage and I've found that my self-importance and my self-centeredness and my pride get in the way of that rhythm so that I have to battle to keep that cycle going of serve give share be thankful serve give share be thankful number seven children

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our hearts together. Children bind our hearts together. The sharing and bringing new children into the world, if the Lord permits, binds our hearts together, our emotions together, our energies together, as well as wearing out all of those things too. By the way, just so you'll know, our youngest son and his wife sent us a text last night. They're expecting number two.

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Yeah, so that'll be number eight grandkids. So we're excited about that. Well, children are a joy, children are a challenge. We share both of those in parenting. The funny thing about it, our children share our DNA with all of the positive traits, but also with some of the negative traits too. And so it means all hands on deck.

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we've got to make the most of this brief opportunity of parenting. And each of us contributes, the husband and wife, the mom and the dad, each contributes in that nurturing, in that training. And so we have to guard against what happens sometimes in families where one parent maybe does most of the parenting, the other one just kind of watches.

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There's gotta be all hands on deck. And yes, I've seen it where the wife is watching and the husband is doing most everything. We're all busy. And for the ladies who've been stay at home moms, if you think she's not busy, then go do her job for one day. You'll go, oh, now I understand that much better. But this is where our kids are looking to us to see an example. They wanna know, how do we deal with life?

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with the relationship that we have with each other. And I don't think that we're as conscious as maybe we should be sometimes in the way our example comes into play with our children. Remember when our youngest son was a...

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was a teenager, I forgot what year he was in school, but we were talking, you know, as a dad, you got teenage kids and they go over to someone's house, you wanna find out about what's going on. So I said, hey, tell me about your friend's parents and what's going on and you know, what are, do they, do the parents get along, do they treat and treat each other well? And he said, dad, you and mom have the best relationship of anyone I know. It just floored me.

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But I realize he's watching everything and learning. And now that he has his own son and getting ready to have another son or daughter next spring, Lord willing, then he needs to know that example has got to be shown in his life.

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And with all the child training, the most important priority that you can do with your children is focus on your marriage. The thing they need to see in you is that you delight in each other.

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Yes, you delight in the Lord. They need to see that. But in terms of the relationships that they're eyeballing, they need to see a healthy, joyful marriage. Number eight, two parents multiply energy. Two parents multiply energy. That's when the nurturing, the training, the need for wisdom, I mean, you gotta have both those perspectives. And this is where our kids need that in character formation. They need to see,

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the dad and the mom, they need to see the way they function in their gender roles, they need to see their servant heartedness, their faithfulness to Christ. And realistically in parenting, if you've never felt your weakness, then I need to meet you. Because every parent that I've been around, we always feel our weaknesses. There are things that we don't know what to do. That's normal.

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And it's okay to feel that because it causes you to lean upon your spouse and both of you to lean upon the Lord. Number nine, long marriage brings sweeter joys. That long run provides some of the sweetest joys on earth without which,

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our lives would be incomplete. I mean, think about what was happening in the Garden of Eden, Genesis chapter two, God made Adam, everything was great, God said it was very good, and then you get to a little farther down in Genesis two, and God said, it's not good that the man be alone. I will make him a helper, a completer, and that's what God did.

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And so it wasn't that he was not experiencing all kinds of wonderful things. He was. But the Lord said he needed a completer. And so the Lord gave him that completer.

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And these joys grow in the midst of the providences of life, the sweet providences, but also the bitter providence. I was praying today for a friend of mine whose house got totally gutted with a hurricane yesterday. And I was praying that the Lord would help him walk through this time where his theology is really coming into play.

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but he's also able to talk to his wife and his children and help them see in this bitter province. I mean I've got a video of it, it's gutted, it just you know it's mind-boggling. Well those are hard things to walk through.

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but the Lord gives us those relationships in marriage so that we are able to walk through those together and out of suffering, it seems that the Lord gives us new energies to help us experience joy. Number 10, God's design is always best. God's design is always best. And this is where we have this...

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complimenting of our lives together in marriage, the weaving of our lives together, and it demonstrates the design of one man and one woman. That the Lord didn't bomb and shaping our spouse, but he works in us so that we learn selflessness and servant-heartedness. And the tapestry of our lives should aim from manifesting the Lord's wisdom and sometimes his humor in putting us together.

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because some couples are so different from each other and you look at and you go, just the grace of God that they love being with each other. Number 11 is I need to fulfill my wife to finish well. I need to fulfill my wife to finish well. And that is we want to...

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we're in the latter stages of our lives and we know that. And we don't mind saying that and talking about that because our hope is in Christ. I think it's kind of healthy to be able to talk about that. But we want to finish well in our relationship together. And the last six years has probably been the most challenging season of our lives. We've had other times where it was really challenging, but both of us had cancer diagnoses and...

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I went through chemotherapy and isolation and some nasty stuff. Karen went through surgery just last year and then the complications arising from that and then we transitioned for what we had spent 44 years of our lives doing with me pastoring and Karen's the first lady in the church and serving in whatever ways the Lord appointed to her and then that stopped.

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Those are pretty big things to walk through. And we've had other seasons along the way, but the Lord has enabled us to see our love deepen in midst of those times where there were adversities and hardships, and we've enjoyed each other. And our happiness in marriage has grown as we've suffered together.

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and we've learned together that we're to live in the hope that is in Christ. Number 12.

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is profound gratitude to the Lord. Profound gratitude to the Lord. I'm thankful to the Lord for bringing Kieran to me so that we would have the joy of getting married. I was serving in a church in Bayou La Batre, Alabama. I don't know if any of you have been to the Bayou, as we call it. It's right down on the bottom of Alabama. It's a fishing boat building town. And I had absolutely no thought

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would find my wife there. A lot of the folks there just didn't have the same interest that I had in life, in every way of life. And so I was discipling Karen's cousin and he had been a Roman Catholic and he'd come to know the Lord and so he kept saying, I want you to meet my cousin. I said sure, sure and I thought

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if she's anything like you, I mean I really love you brother, but I couldn't spend my life with you, you know? And so he brought her to a church service one night in Mobile. I was a college student, she was a college student in Tuscaloosa. And so she was home on spring break. And I brought another young lady to that service that night and Karen

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along with her cousin and then I think we maybe got together one more time and then I stopped by I was going home and had to go through Tuscaloosa stopped by and visited with her. This is in March of 1975 and we got engaged August the 1st and got married in December.

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rock and roll baby, go for this. And I look at that and I think, what an incredibly sweet providence that here was this guy that I was discipling. He died, I don't know, a year or so ago, maybe two years ago now. And here I'm discipling him in this town where I never expect you to find a wife, and here she is. And I still remember.

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I ran into one of my buddies I hadn't seen all summer, toward the end of the summer, we were in a bookstore, and I said, Wayne, I found God's woman for me. And sure enough, we got married. Number 13, we complete each other.

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we complete each other. That's where the weaving of our lives together, emotionally, mentally, physically, spiritually, means that we hold the key to building up and encouraging the other. That's something of that completer idea. And by that, no one can boost confidence and spur good action more than the one with whom I'm joined in covenant.

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words, facial expressions, body language, intimacy, conversations, attentiveness, all that works together. It either builds up or it tears down. And so neglecting to cultivate every aspect of our lives together means that we affect the marriage. And so think about this thing of being a completer. That's the way it's described in Genesis 2.

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The power of words, the power of words. The words we speak lift the spirit of the bring it low.

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So guarding our tongues in marriage is more important than all the other relationships because of that covenant relationship that we have. And really, our marriage relationship can be a barometer of all the other relationships. It's the worst hypocrisy to neglect that covenant relationship and give more attention to lesser relationships.

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So the tongue is a gauge of the heart that can affect marriage with either great joy or deep heart. And I've had times I've wounded Karen with her words and she's had times where she's wounded me with her words. And we've had to humble ourselves and apologize. That's why a good marriage is a long spiritual process. And I think when you're younger.

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you maybe do a little bit more of that wounding as long as you're growing of the Lord. And I have seen some older couples that seem to do a lot of wounding and I'm thinking, what are you doing? That's nuts, don't do that. I mean, we're learning to die of sin. We're learning to live in resurrection power. We'll talk about that more tomorrow. And that affects our speech. And maybe...

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Some don't take the words as seriously as they should. Maybe they think, well, you know, I've done some nice things. I cooked a favorite meal. I've taken out the trash. I've changed a baby's diaper. And all those things are good, but we need to realize that the seatfulness of our heart that will rip up our marriage. You can't compensate for failures with the tongue by doing other nice things. But Christ will...

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in you will enable you to address your words in your manner of speaking. I think of how many times I've failed in that area and generally it's because of self-importance.

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I would maybe say something because maybe Karen said something I didn't like the way she said it or did something The way I didn't want her to do it or didn't do something I way I wanted to do it Yeah, you know could be anything and it's generally something very very tiny and then just blurts something out And when it blurts out in really I'm going you are so dumb I'm saying that to me You know, why are you doing that?

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I mean, most of the arguments that we have in marriage are over unimportant things. And yet failing to care for our hearts desensitizes us when it comes to...

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issues of bitterness and selfishness raining in the heart. I like the way Zambian pastor, who's also a pillar pastor, Chopo Mwanza, warned, he said, the fact that marriage is God's plan means the devil has a plan and strategy for marriage in Christian couples. And I think one of those is to affect our tongues. 15.

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Beware of marital presumption. Those times that I'd get lazy, that I was not disciplined would be exposed by the way I neglected healthy building up and life giving elements in marriage. And so being astute in other areas of life while neglecting marriage reveals shallowness and laziness.

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on marriage. Early in our marriage, we've been married for three months and I thought everything was just going great and hunky-dory so I was serving in a church and I taught Sunday school on Sunday morning, preached fairly often either Sunday morning or Sunday night, taught on Sunday afternoon, did the Discipleship group on Monday night, another Discipleship group on Tuesday night, taught on Wednesday night, had visitation on Thursday night, and then did a

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activity either Friday night or Saturday night. John, you would have pulled me aside and cleaned my clock. And you should. My pastor should have pulled me aside and cleaned my clock. But I was helping to pull the load. And so I walked in to our lovely pre-manufactured home. We had a trailer and it was really ugly. It had this nasty shag carpet in it. And she was sitting in the middle of the floor crying. And I thought, what's wrong with this woman?

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and it was me because I was presumptuous. You know, you can't have that kind of schedule and keep a healthy marriage. And so I had to make some adjustments and the Lord was gracious in that. And I've had to do that along the way because I can slip back into presumption. Always be sensitive. That's why I have open communication with each other.

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one of the funny things to me because I've had seasons along the way where I've had to work on this. So when I started working with the Pillar Network, my study was at home. I was accustomed to, for most of my 44 years of pastoring, having a study in office and all that and coming home at a certain time generally. And so I had my studies upstairs and I was loving what I'm doing. There's so many things. I mean, it was just wowed, all

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And so I thought, hey, I'm here. And I just kept working. And so instead of coming home around 5.30, which was my norm, I would come down about 6.30 or something like that and Karen didn't say anything. I did that a few days and she said, oh, it's nice of you to come down. And that's all she said. And she said it very kindly. It was like, oh, I did the same stinking thing I did when I was 22 years old.

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I got presumptuous.

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And so I had to make some adjustments along the way. Number 16, we're in union to be like Christ. We're in union to be like Christ. If you think I am emphasizing the aim in marriage is to grow in grace with the result that your union with Christ and your spiritual walk as a couple is going to reflect that, you're right. You've caught on very quickly. It seems that a lot of marriages suffer because they have been superficial in their relationship

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Christ. Don't play Christianity.

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I mean, they say, yeah, I go to church, we do a little Bible reading, ask the blessing at meals and all that, those things are great. But that lack of intentionality and intensity in seeking Christ is gonna show up. The marriage covenant is a call to integrity in living in Christ together. Again, Chopo Mwanza gave a helpful perspective. He said, the nature of marriage is that couples will help or hold each other back.

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They support or stifle. You either encourage or you enable each other for good or folly in sin. Don't underestimate the influence you have on your spouse. And then he asks, what kind of impact are you having on your spouse? Well, look into Ephesians five, and I'm gonna, I mean, looking at the time, I'm gonna walk through some of this, and if I get to a spot where I need to stop, I'll stop and pick up in the morning. And we'll just.

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break into the other passage. So don't mind me chopping things up like that. Ephesians 5 22 to 33 is the primary text on marriage in the Bible. But this passage

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is part of a bigger context here where Paul is talking about the whole work and warp and woof of our lives in Christ. So

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Notice beginning in verse 15 that the first thing that we see starting in verse 15 going through verse 33 is that both husband and wife must nurture healthy spiritual lives. And there are five be attitudes and practices in the Christian walk that will help us at this point. The first one is be careful with your Christian walk. Be careful with your Christian walk.

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to how you walk, not as unwise people, but as wise. Yeah, I'm gonna go into great explanation. Joshua will get to that Lord willing down the road. It's gonna be a while, but it's coming. But you're careful, you're not careless.

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You're paying attention, it's a walk. So in other words, this is your ongoing daily journey. You have struggles with it, you have obstacles in the way, but he says, be careful about it. Pay attention to your, that's the first thing. Second, be a faithful steward of your time. Be a faithful steward of your time.

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verse 16, making the most of the time because the days are evil. So being a good steward of your time, it means that you may not be able to do everything that you want to do. And so you learn how to be judicious. Karen will tell you if you say, you know, what are some of Phil's crazy proclivities?

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And she'd probably say, well, he wants to do everything. And my mind whirls and I think of stuff. I wanna make this, I'm gonna work on this, I'm gonna go here, I'm gonna teach him this, I'm gonna write this. My mind is just constantly whirling. So what I have to do personally and what I'm exhorting you to do, be a steward of your time.

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And right at the heart of that is your walk with the Lord and your marriage. Are you doing what you need to do to cultivate that walk with the Lord and to cultivate a good marriage? And so that means that you can't always do everything you want to do. And that's okay. And I'll say this, um, since all you guys are young, there were things I looked at. And when I was younger, I thought, Oh, if I don't get to do this, I won't ever get to do it.

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One, some of those things you never think about again. Two, some of those things you'll be doing. You'll get the opportunity later. And you'll enjoy it even more because you haven't crammed your life together.

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So that's where be patient about being a good steward of your time. Third, be attitude, be conscious of living in God's will, be conscious of living in God's will notice the contrast for 17. So don't be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is.

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Don't be foolish. So in other words, it is foolish if we're not seeking to consciously live in the will of God each day. So how do we do that? Well, we do that primarily by seeing the revelation of scripture. What has God said in his word? Let's live our lives by the word. What do we see in the life of Christ? Let's live our lives in living out the Christ's life. On those things where we say, well, I don't see anything in the word about this. Jesus wasn't involved in buying

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or you know something like that what do I do we walk with the Lord we seek the face of the Lord we see where he gives us peace and we go forward and don't look back and don't second-guess yourself on everything seek the Lord use the sanctified

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sense that he's given to you and be willing to move forward. Fourth, be daily filled with the Spirit. Be daily filled with the Spirit. Verse 18, and don't get drunk with wine, which leads to reckless living. But be filled with the Spirit. Literally.

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be being filled with the Spirit. It's a passive voice, which means the Holy Spirit is already acting upon you. That's the norm of the Spirit to fill you. So what you're doing, you're consciously making sure nothing is in the way for the Holy Spirit filling your life. You're not focused on things that are dishonoring to the Lord. It literally means the idea that you're living under the Spirit's control.

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It's this ongoing practice that is the norm for the Christian life, to be filled with the Holy Spirit. It conveys being under control and under influence. So he uses a contrast. What happens with someone that is drunk? They're out of control. They are controlled by something else. But I would submit to you that...

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Drunkenness is not the only thing that can intoxicate us. It can be media. It can be our job. It can be our schedule.

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It can be our peers. It can be other kinds of intoxicants. We can Get caught up in other things instead of being filled with the spirit. So we need to consciously live in the fullness of the spirit I love the the Statement that Michael Haken made about Martin Luther and his beloved Katie his wife Concerning their marriage. It said Luther had a deep sense of the joyfulness of the Christian life

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and marriage simply exacerbated that. You live in the fullness of the Spirit and it overflows into the joy in marriage. And then the fifth, the fifth beatitude, be engaged with the church. Be engaged with the church. We see this beginning in verse 19, speaking to one another.

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Psalms and hymns and spiritual songs singing and making music with your heart to the Lord Giving thanks always for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ Submitting to one another in the fear of Christ that that's like Midtown's gotten together and had a worship service

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And you're speaking, you're singing, you're giving thanks, you're exhorting, you're yielding yourself to each other. And so intentionally seek to add to the joy and knowledge of other believers through the means the Lord has given you. Speaking, worshiping, serving, gratitude, submission to one another.

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That's the foundation before he starts talking about marriage. So let's move second to the second thing we see in this passage and that is both husband and wife must understand and grow in the complimentary partnership, complimentary partnership of marriage. Both husband and wife must understand and grow in the complimentary partnership of marriage. Some couples live in competition with each other.

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One's always trying to get the edge on the other one or trying to dominate or trying to control or trying to get his way or her way, and that's destructive. Instead, there is this beautiful complementarity that's going on between the man and the woman. Kathy Killer wrote that in Genesis 1 and 2 on the complementarity of the man and the woman, that it suggests strongly that the sexes,

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and worth are complementary. So we're not in competition to see who is better, who has more worth, who is more important. Those are destructive attitudes. Rather, in humility, we recognize God's design in marriage and we gratefully seek to walk in it, even in things that carry an air of mystery about him. So let's look at five aspects of marital life first.

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see the roles in marriage as God's wise design given for our good. And so God's given these roles in marriage. He's done it wisely. He's done it for our good. In Ephesians five, there are 40 words addressed to the wives. 115 words addressed to the husbands. Yes, we are that dull. We are that hard headed and we need extra to get things across.

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The wife is called a helper, a completer. So she makes up.

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for where the man is lacking. And this is where we look at that first marriage in Genesis two and how magnificent and beautiful and glorious it was. They were romantic, they were joyful, they were happy. I mean, it was the kind of thing that I wish we could see with their clothes on of course, but I wish we could see with all that beautiful joy in the relationship.

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you get to Genesis 3 and the fall came and affected it but it didn't change God's design. It just affected how we do things in marriage. We have corrupted what God has designed by selfishness.

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instead of contributing in marriage the things that God has called for us to do. And so that's why verses 15 through 21 are so important. If we're going to function in the roles God has given to us in marriage, we need to be walking with the Lord. We need to be guarding our time. We need to be walking in the will of God. We need to be filled with the Spirit. We need to be engaged with the body of Christ. All that is necessary. Second is submission.

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not subjugation. I couldn't remember, is that typed in your notes? I can't remember. Okay, so I don't have to repeat it. Submission is not subjugation nor mousiness nor an unwillingness to speak into your husband's life.

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So what is submission? That's that word you're almost afraid to bring up in a lot of settings in our day. It's more an attitude and mindset than anything else. It's not taking a lesser role. It's not becoming invisible in the relationship or developing a mousy disposition. Turn over just a few pages to Philippians 2, beginning in verse five. And if we want to see what submission is,

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This is the picture of submission. It says of Jesus, adopt the same attitude as that of Christ Jesus who, existing in the form of God, did not.

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consider equality with God as something to be exploited. Instead, he emptied himself by assuming the form of a servant, taking on the likeness of humanity. And when he had come as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Now, when you look at that, that's the picture of submission.

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That's the model. We're to have that mind of Christ. It is a humble recognition of a God-given role to display the glory of God and to accomplish his purposes. And while that's true of Jesus in Philippians two, in the incarnation of the cross, it's also true in marriage. It's true the husband's complementarity of submission as a Christian, and it's true of the wife

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in that complimentary relationship with her husband. It's modeling Jesus Christ. And so if we think submission is demeaning, go back and read this passage again.

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The equality of Jesus and the Godhead did not end at the humbling submission in the incarnation of the cross. Instead, it was magnified by the love and obedience of Jesus toward the Father. And so any thought of inferiority with this, it totally misses what submission is. So what does submission look like? Well...

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is an attitude of willingly trusting your husband's leadership. Instead of regularly questioning all of his decisions or making him feel like he's a dumbo, it's looking for ways to be an encouragement to him as he makes decisions that affect the family. Submission builds a husband up, not as an authoritarian, not as a dictator. God forbid he's to be a servant leader.

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but he needs to feel the weight of your trust as he leads. Now servant leadership, servant leadership goes against the natural bend of selfishness that's bound up in every man. Brothers, we've got that selfishness.

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Healthy submission seeks to help and enable that husband towards that Christ's magnifying role of servant leadership. So how's that gonna work out? Let me give you a few things, and I'll probably need to shift to the Q&A. It's an attitude.

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finding delight and satisfaction in your husband even as Christ as the church does with Christ he needs to know that you enjoy him for who he is with all of his weaknesses and all of his idiosyncrasies and all of his needs and he's got all those

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He needs to know that your mission in life is not to reshape him into your mold, but to accept him as a gift from God and to encourage him as he matures and grows in the role of leading the home, which means this God given role is a means to fight pride in selfishness in your life, just as he has pride and selfishness in his life. And how do you, how do you do that?

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How do we fight pride that majors on elevating self? We humbly place ourselves under another's leadership and authority.

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I mean, that's why pastors need elder plurality so that men given to pride will be submissive to their fellow elders, battling their pride and helping them to walk in humble service. And so while being a leader in the home, he is also under submission to the body of Christ. That's what it says in verse 21. He's also.

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under submission to the elders in the church. So he is learning to be a servant leader, but will lean into his laziness or to his authoritarianism if he's not also learning submission right in the middle of you being submitted to him.

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This submission involves speaking in such a way as to build up your husband and instill confidence in him as he seeks to lead in marriage. And this is where your voice and the tone of your voice and your facial expression, your warmth, all of that raises his confidence level. In the reverse of that, if you're regularly demeaning him, downing him, I mean, I've had

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those guys. I mean I pull them aside and I rebuke them but I've also heard ladies do that. I've had to say dear sister your husband needs something better than that. He needs you to build him up. You can tear him down more than anyone else.

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And so this respect goes a long way in building up. Submission means yielding to and encouraging the husband as he leads with the desire to do all things that will benefit your lives together rather than him making every decision. The husband is not to be a machine that cranks out all the decisions. Live your lives together so that you trust each other's decisions.

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in matters of daily life. He doesn't need you second guessing him on everything, but he also doesn't need you being complicit in agreeing to everything that he does. Sometimes the husband is gonna make a bad decision. Karen has kept me out of so many ditches. I wouldn't even be here. I'm serious, I wouldn't even be here. I would have done so many dumb things. And she's...

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said, Phil, we can't do this. Oh, why can't we do this? And then she would try to have a reason and go, oh, I hadn't thought about it like that. You see, all right, ladies, I'll tell you something. The guys aren't listening on this, but part of our brain is dead and it's released, it's resurrected by you, by this beauty of submission. And it pulls things out of that man. And man, you get somebody that's resurrected, you got some life there.

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And that's what happens the way you speak with grace and respect and in wisdom. You sharpen him, sharpen him. Don't metaphorically trying to hang him on the decision.

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But instead sharpen him. This is is one Important area that we need to think about that the husband is not the fount of infinite wisdom and strength He needs your wisdom. He needs your intuitive counsel in leading the family Just as he needs a humble heart to seek your counsel and to confide in you with Transparency so that you might advise him and encourage him as he leads

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We need each other if we're to be fulfilled in marriage. And then one last thing and I'll stop and talk to the guys in the morning. If the husband fails to discuss matters with you and just acts unilaterally, he's going rogue. Don't sit on your hands at that point. Speak into his life. He's having one of those brain dead moments.

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and he needs you to speak into his life. Now, there may be an exception where something's gotta be done quickly, he makes a decision and you stick with it. But he needs your help. And so without rancor, without anger, without yelling, without bitterness, tell him how important it is for you to be included in the decision since you're sharing life together as a covenant couple.

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You'll feel more of the beauty and intensity in this covenant as you open up and you're transparent in your decisions. I'm gonna stop there. I'll talk a little bit more about submission in the morning, but we'll talk more about headship tomorrow too. All right, we in good shape? I'll pray for us. Thank you Lord for the things we've been able to.

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think about and we pray that you would teach us, we pray that Christ would be formed in us and out of that work of Christ that you would beautify our lives whether single or married, whether young married or old married that you would beautify our lives as those who are looking more and more like Christ. We pray that in Jesus' name, amen.